this has just been published on the government's website regarding the charity commission's investigation into wtbts in the uk.
it sounds a little like a backward step, and also like the society are playing clever legal games - as to be expected - but hopefully the information provided by people who've left and been affected by the society will help them reach an informed conclusion.
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I know that many here favour mandatory reporting but the NSPC indicates some of the pitfalls of mandatory reporting and then it goes on to discuss the debate concerning this issue.
Interesting, thanks.
FYI I posted the below two months ago (6th November 2016) when it was featured as a big article in the UK's Observer newspaper. The article also listed those organisations for and against mandatory reporting.
my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
If such a clean copy is made, please post it here for broader use.
Here's a PDF / clean copy of the advert:
i am a bereavement coordinator with a hospice company.
i have noticed that most often jw patients decline chaplain care and also the family ends up declining bereavement care.
where i work our chaplains do not proselytize at all...they merely walk with the patient in their faith at the end of life.
JWs will avoid anything that could possibly be deemed as religious or spiritual (or chaplain) that does not come from their own Ministers. They will rely on their own Ministers (normally the 'Elders') for direct spiritual help, and their fellow believers for comfort and support during this difficult time.
I assume you are familiar with their publication: "When Someone You Love Dies"? (that link goes to a PDF version).
Having said that, I would expect some kind of help regarding dealing with the 'practicalities' of what to do etc when a close relative dies would be appreciated - I presume you probably already have some sort of leaflet that explains that - death certificate, probate, insurances etc
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we often come across jehovah's witnesses near station entrances and at our front doors, but we never hear about what happens when they leave.
if you're near london, uk, faith to faithless are doing their first ever event at kings college london, and their first ex jw panel!.
The point they raised in their video is; at what point does their marriage stop being adulterous? If their marriage was deemed to be 'adulterous,' then surely for as long as they are married it will always be 'adulterous', so when does it end?
I wondered the same.
Having looked it up I understand that the 'adulterous marriage' would continue as such up to the point of either: the death of the other mate; the other mate's re-marriage (whether consummated or not); or 'porneia' on the part of the other mate.
Although they could get reinstated before the marriage stops being an 'adulterous' one - neither party could be used for 'privileges' (including auxiliary pioneering, parts on the meeting etc, apart from 'School' items) until that time.
my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
The SAME advert appears on page 4 of the 17 January 2017 print edition of The Press of Atlantic City aswell.
my wife has been trying to convince me that the organization is hinting at the possibility of making some older sisters ministerial servants.
she is awake to a lot of the false doctrines, but is still clinging to the hope that the org may become more progressive in the future.
anyone else pick up on this?
I thought the "head covering" schtick was only when <gag> f-f-f-f-females were engaged in "teaching".
Weird - maybe she was teaching the brothers to use the sound desk? haha
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we often come across jehovah's witnesses near station entrances and at our front doors, but we never hear about what happens when they leave.
if you're near london, uk, faith to faithless are doing their first ever event at kings college london, and their first ex jw panel!.
Here's the youtubes....
DEBORAH FRANCES-WHITE chairs a panel of former Jehovah's Witnesses. Here, she talks about being a Pioneer and how that impacted her interest in comedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVM1prHnocI
NICK FRENCH talks about growing up with sexual abuse in the JW church, and becoming an Elder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agxAhHb2ss4
LYDIA FINCH talks about "going out with a bang" rather than fading from the Jehovah's Witness religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCxb2PbKB5s
TERRI O'SULLIVAN talks about being kicked out at 16 to founding on of the largest Former JW communities in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCZ8MBdAa4
MARC & CORA are both well known former JW Youtubers, talking about being 4th generation JWs who left for love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ45gJ-Cr3E
according to the 2017 yearbook there was an important reduction of publishers in poland (over 2,000) and small increases in countries like uk, ireland, germany and norway.
i thought that there might be something more than just people leaving jw in eastern europe and joining in western europe, so i checked in jw.org the number of polish language congregations outside of poland.
as you can see below germany, the uk, ireland and norway have a lot of polish congregations.
This post from five years ago implies there where, at that time, only five Polish Congregations in the UK using data from the Charity Commissions.
BUT, I think that is suspect - doing a search NOW for the words polish and jehovah returns only VERY limited results, while we know that today there are around 50 Polish Congregations in the UK, and each one should be a registered charity?
according to the 2017 yearbook there was an important reduction of publishers in poland (over 2,000) and small increases in countries like uk, ireland, germany and norway.
i thought that there might be something more than just people leaving jw in eastern europe and joining in western europe, so i checked in jw.org the number of polish language congregations outside of poland.
as you can see below germany, the uk, ireland and norway have a lot of polish congregations.
I'm sure that immigration is a factor.
For the 2015 Service Year, the ratio in Poland was 1-in-315
That is significantly more than the ratio in Britain at the same time of 1-in-457
So actually it's 45% HIGHER in Poland
They say there's 831,000 Poles in the UK
That's the equivalent of 2,638 JWs
Whereas the equivalent 831,000 British people would represent only 1,818 JWs
Therefore a differance of 820 JWs
