You can 'find' the advert online at:
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/classifieds/
Just do a search for 'jehovah'
You can get to the classified section by clicking on the hamburger menu symbol at top left, then 'Buy & Sell'
darkspilver
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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Modern-day application of 2 King 20:17 ?
by darkspilver inhow can the recent newspaper and television adverts running in the new jersey/new york area of the us be used in conversation/s with any still-in family and/or friends you may know?.
the initial reaction by jws maybe to pick up on what some have said here - that the adverts has been placed by an 'ambulance-chasing' company - the impliction being that 'you see they're only after the money!'.
well, yeah, of course - they're a business - they want to make money!.
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darkspilver
How can the recent newspaper and television adverts running in the New Jersey/New York area of the US be used in conversation/s with any still-in family and/or friends you may know?
The initial reaction by JWs maybe to pick up on what some have said here - that the adverts has been placed by an 'ambulance-chasing' company - the impliction being that 'you see they're only after the money!'
Well, yeah, of course - they're a business - they want to make money!
But now, what Bible example may this remind us of?
Turn to your Bibles - 2 Kings 20:12-18
12 At that time the king of Babylon, Be·roʹdach-balʹa·dan son of Balʹa·dan, sent letters and a gift to Hez·e·kiʹah, for he had heard that Hez·e·kiʹah had been sick. 13 Hez·e·kiʹah welcomed them and showed them his entire treasure-house — the silver, the gold, the balsam oil and other precious oil, his armory, and everything that was to be found in his treasuries. There was nothing that Hez·e·kiʹah did not show them in his own house and in all his dominion. 14 After that Isaiah the prophet came in to King Hez·e·kiʹah and asked him: “What did these men say, and where did they come from?” So Hez·e·kiʹah said: “They came from a distant land, from Babylon.” 15 Next he asked: “What did they see in your house?” Hez·e·kiʹah replied: “They saw everything in my house. There was nothing that I did not show them in my treasuries.” 16 Isaiah now said to Hez·e·kiʹah: “Hear the word of Jehovah, 17 ‘Look! Days are coming, and all that is in your house and all that your forefathers have stored up to this day will be carried off to Babylon. Nothing will be left,’ says Jehovah. 18 ‘And some of your own sons to whom you will become father will be taken and will become court officials in the palace of the king of Babylon.’”
What do we learn from this?
Awake November 2012, page 24
Another problem associated with showing off wealth is well illustrated in the Bible account of King Hezekiah, who lived in ancient Jerusalem. On one occasion Hezekiah showed “all that was to be found in his treasures” to dignitaries from Babylon. Evidently, his great wealth impressed the visitors. However, it may also have excited their greed. After they left, God’s prophet Isaiah bravely told Hezekiah that one day all his treasure would “actually be carried to Babylon.” Nothing would be left. Those words came true! Years later the Babylonians returned and hauled off all the riches that belonged to Hezekiah’s family. (2 Kings 20:12-17; 24:12, 13). Likewise today, people who flaunt their wealth may risk losing it, or at least some of it.
Note, it was not wrong for Hezekiah to have those all those treasures and his great wealth.
Likewise, it is not wrong for God's people today to have material 'wealth and treasures' BUT
BUT, what really have the GB 2.0 done by selling the Brooklyn Bethel buildings? Have they not - at least indirectly - really 'shown-off' the material wealth and treasaures that they have built up to wordly rulers - 'to Babylon'?
Recently they have been involved in some of the highest profile and biggest ever billion dollar transactions seen in the US.
And who have they sold many of the buildings too? Why - even the son-in-law of the President-elect of the US!!
Think about it - was Hezekiah being persecuted for what he did?... or was he being punished for what he did?
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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darkspilver
Don't you think Richard that if the WT Society had done their due diligence and made it a policy to do mandatory BACKGROUND checks on these prospective elders and MS's - that those 50 elders and MS's would have never had the CHANCE or OPPORUNITY to molest and abuse children ?
I think the problem though might be moving to an over-reliance on pieces of paper, thinking it'll solve everything, but it goes far deeper than that.
Besides, look what happened only last month in Australia as reported in the Herald Sun newspaper on Thursday 8 December 2016 on page 5, with an Opinion/Editorial Piece on page 44:
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Watchtower let off the hook by the UK charities commission
by jambon1 insay what they like, but it's a definite withdrawal of pressure.
the commission is slow, needlessly protracted and inconsiderate of the extent to which ongoing damage is being carried out.. scrap it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/watch-tower-statement-on-administrative-court-proceedings.
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darkspilver
I wonder if this is related to last weeks news that Nick Beales was leaving the Charity Commission and his role was being taken over by Alex Uden?
Dear all,
I am writing to advise that as of next Monday responsibility for our ongoing statutory inquiry into Watch Tower will pass to my colleague, Alex Uden. Alex can be reached at [email protected] and is looking forward to working with all of you as our investigation moves to its next stage. I am sure he will be in touch in due course with an update on our work.
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Kind regards,
Nick Beales
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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darkspilver
Which ever way you look at it, having these sort of adverts running is not good for the WT.
I'm not particularly impressed with their website, especially particularly if it's meant to be focused on JWs - but that's not the point... I suspect, that rather than wanting people to read a website, they want people to contact them directly so they can be 'signed-up' as their client - perhaps on some kind of exclusive deal?
TBH I wonder if their homework was the recent report carried by KPBS on 12 December 2016, along with the two linked items:Also the website:
Allegedly, more than 25 years ago, the Jehovah’s Witness’ Governing Body, the group of men who make and approve all policies, sent a memo to the elders of all 14,000 congregations stating that child sex abuse is a private matter and shouldn’t be discussed with anyone, especially the police. The memo also stated that revealing child sex abuse to law enforcement would result in punishment.
It is believed that elders were instead instructed to fill out a form when abuse occurred. These forms were then scanned into a database. This leads investigators to believe that there are thousands of hidden records of sexual abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
This isn't some cookie-cutter operation. They've obviously done their homework.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2016/dec/12/how-jehovahs-witnesses-leaders-hide-child-abuse-se/
For more than 25 years, Jehovah’s Witnesses officials have instructed local leaders — known as elders — in all of the religion’s 14,000 U.S. congregations to hide sexual abuse from law enforcement. Instead, abusers were to be handled internally.
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Latest News on Charity Commission Investigation into WTBTS
by gonzobear inthis has just been published on the government's website regarding the charity commission's investigation into wtbts in the uk.
it sounds a little like a backward step, and also like the society are playing clever legal games - as to be expected - but hopefully the information provided by people who've left and been affected by the society will help them reach an informed conclusion.
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darkspilver
I know that many here favour mandatory reporting but the NSPC indicates some of the pitfalls of mandatory reporting and then it goes on to discuss the debate concerning this issue.
Interesting, thanks.
FYI I posted the below two months ago (6th November 2016) when it was featured as a big article in the UK's Observer newspaper. The article also listed those organisations for and against mandatory reporting.
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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darkspilver
If such a clean copy is made, please post it here for broader use.
Here's a PDF / clean copy of the advert:
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Hospice and JW
by Terry Clees ini am a bereavement coordinator with a hospice company.
i have noticed that most often jw patients decline chaplain care and also the family ends up declining bereavement care.
where i work our chaplains do not proselytize at all...they merely walk with the patient in their faith at the end of life.
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darkspilver
JWs will avoid anything that could possibly be deemed as religious or spiritual (or chaplain) that does not come from their own Ministers. They will rely on their own Ministers (normally the 'Elders') for direct spiritual help, and their fellow believers for comfort and support during this difficult time.
I assume you are familiar with their publication: "When Someone You Love Dies"? (that link goes to a PDF version).
Having said that, I would expect some kind of help regarding dealing with the 'practicalities' of what to do etc when a close relative dies would be appreciated - I presume you probably already have some sort of leaflet that explains that - death certificate, probate, insurances etc
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Faith to Faithless XJW event London, UK
by Fe2O3Girl indescription.
we often come across jehovah's witnesses near station entrances and at our front doors, but we never hear about what happens when they leave.
if you're near london, uk, faith to faithless are doing their first ever event at kings college london, and their first ex jw panel!.
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darkspilver
The point they raised in their video is; at what point does their marriage stop being adulterous? If their marriage was deemed to be 'adulterous,' then surely for as long as they are married it will always be 'adulterous', so when does it end?
I wondered the same.
Having looked it up I understand that the 'adulterous marriage' would continue as such up to the point of either: the death of the other mate; the other mate's re-marriage (whether consummated or not); or 'porneia' on the part of the other mate.
Although they could get reinstated before the marriage stops being an 'adulterous' one - neither party could be used for 'privileges' (including auxiliary pioneering, parts on the meeting etc, apart from 'School' items) until that time.
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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