Posts by darkspilver

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About 1.8 Millions disfellowshipped since 1981 and about 1.3 Million still are!

by StephaneLaliberte in

this means that for every 6 publishers, there is a disfellowshipped person.

this statistic doesn't take into account all of the kids that become/removed as publishers and receive a similar treatment from their family.

conclusion: jehovah's witnesses do break up families.

darkspilver

How are you working that out?

I have a 'base-line' to use for 1993 using the following

Watchtower 1 April 1994, page 16, paragraph 8
Each year about 40,000 individuals are disfellowshipped from Jehovah’s organization.

I make a total of 1,708,635 total disfellowshipped.

Using your one third reinstated (569,544), but ignoring being disfellowshipped twice etc

I end up with 1,139,091 remaining disfellowshipped.

And, of course, due to dying, the actual number of disfellowshipped ones actually alive currently would be less

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April 2017 Study Watchtower encourages you to defy The Society !

by BluesBrother in

at least, that is how i see it... the article "the judge of all the earth always does what is right".

paragraph 6 & 7 .

6 consider the experience of willi diehl.

darkspilver

Hey tepidpoultry

that's next Sunday at the Holy Trinity in Dalston, London - Sunday 5 February 2017 - annual service in honor of Grimaldi

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Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

by darkspilver in

for information:.

court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

Er, no it's not - if anything it's with the commerical company Medilab regarding how are using a very narrow definition of 'defect' to mean 'fatality' rather than the accepted broader definition as below - and as actual fatalities are low, this obscures the real risks (as per link at end).

A six sigma safety rating is the equivalent to the occurrence of 3.4 defects per million opportunities - a defect is everything that does not meet customer requirements such as even staying in the hospital one day longer than required or a mistake during the procedure.
https://www.isixsigma.com/industries/healthcare/six-sigma-powerful-strategy-healthcare-providers/

Anyway, cool that you're familiar with the SHOT reports - anybody interested can read it and make their own mind up - and I'll leave it as that.

http://www.ascls-and.org/pdf/14-04-18/7_Transfusion%20Safety%20and%20Blood%20Management%20Specialists.pdf

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April 2017 Study Watchtower encourages you to defy The Society !

by BluesBrother in

at least, that is how i see it... the article "the judge of all the earth always does what is right".

paragraph 6 & 7 .

6 consider the experience of willi diehl.

darkspilver

Has anyone heard of anyone else losing privileges because of getting married?

It's possible - basic principle is they both have to apply 'again' and they may not be accepted.

Hence the Branch Organization Manual states:

Missionaries
Marriage: If a single field missionary becomes engaged to be married, he or she should inform the branch office right away. If the field missionary indicates that he or she wishes to continue in the missionary work along with his or her prospective mate, the branch should immediately request a confidential Personal Qualifications Report (S-326) from the missionary's body of elders and one from his or her circuit overseer.
If the prospective mate lives in the branch territory, the branch may send him or her a Questionnaire for Prospective Field Missionary (S-214} to fill out. In addition, the prospective mate's body of elders and circuit overseer should be asked to complete separate Personal Qualifications Reports (S-326). The Branch Committee will review the missionary's qualifications and those of his or her prospective mate, taking into consideration the reputation and the physical health and stamina of each one. Whether favourable or otherwise, all the reports (translated into English) along with the Branch Committee's recommendation and the prospective mate's S-214 questionnaire should be submitted to the Service Committee, which will make the final decision.
If the prospective mate does not live in the branch territory, the Branch Committee should submit the S-326 reports for the missionary to the Service Committee along with its recommendation based on the Branch Committee's knowledge of the missionary. In turn, the Service Committee will obtain the needed reports from the prospective mate's branch office. In all cases, the Service Committee will make the final decision as to whether someone continues as a field missionary following his or her marriage.

Similiar principle for Special Pioneers, Circuit Overseers and Bethelites

Interestingly for Special Pioneers and Circuit Overseer there are additional requirements...

The prospective mate should be at least 21 years old, baptized three years or longer, in full-time service for at least two years, in good health, and able to maintain an active schedule. If there is a great difference in age between the two who are planning to marry, the Branch Committee should consider carefully whether this would cause negative talk or be a stumbling block to others.

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Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

by darkspilver in

for information:.

court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

darkspilver

Ah right, so based purely on fatality as being the one 'defect' that is counted - that's apparently completely different to how it's worked out as per my original website reference:

A six sigma safety rating is the equivalent to the occurrence of 3.4 defects per million opportunities - a defect is everything that does not meet customer requirements such as even staying in the hospital one day longer than required or a mistake during the procedure.
https://www.isixsigma.com/industries/healthcare/six-sigma-powerful-strategy-healthcare-providers/

Again, according to SHOT, it seems unlikely that even merely donating blood reaches a six sigmas level according to the above.

http://www.shotuk.org

You really should read their annual report - 190 pages - I'm sure you'll appreciate it and how far ranging and comprehensive the data is and how it is broken down.

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April 2017 Study Watchtower encourages you to defy The Society !

by BluesBrother in

at least, that is how i see it... the article "the judge of all the earth always does what is right".

paragraph 6 & 7 .

6 consider the experience of willi diehl.

darkspilver

Cool, that's interesting - also interesting to note that the April 2017 article misses out the last sentence from the original life story...

Watchtower 1 November 1991 - Jehovah Is My God, in Whom I Will Trust AS TOLD BY WILLI DIEHL

Graduation of the eighth class of Gilead was February 9, 1947, and suspense ran high. Where would we be sent? For me, “the measuring lines” fell on the Society’s newly opened printery at Wiesbaden, Germany. (Psalm 16:6) I returned to Bern to apply for necessary papers, but the U.S. occupation forces in Germany were permitting entry only to persons who had lived there before the war. Since I had not, I needed a new assignment from Brooklyn headquarters. It turned out to be circuit work in Switzerland, which I accepted with full trust in Jehovah. But while awaiting this assignment, I was asked one day to show the Bethel premises to three visiting sisters. One of them was a pioneer named Marthe Mehl.
In May 1949, I informed headquarters in Bern that I planned to marry Marthe and that we desired to remain in full-time service. The reaction? No privileges other than regular pioneering. This we started in Biel, following our wedding in June 1949. I was not permitted to give talks, nor could we look for accommodations for delegates to a forthcoming assembly, even though we had been recommended by our circuit overseer for this privilege. Many no longer greeted us, treating us like disfellowshipped persons, even though we were pioneers.
We knew, however, that getting married was not unscriptural, so we took refuge in prayer and put our trust in Jehovah. Actually, this treatment did not reflect the Society’s view. It was simply a result of the misapplication of organizational guidelines.

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Witness weddings

by dothemath in

recently went to a witness wedding, and after the vows the bride and groom were introduced as "brother and sister".....(then last name).....(then the big kiss).

this is likely not unusual (i've heard it before), but with lots of "worldly" people in attendance it seems out of place to me.. i was just wondering if that's the way it is most places?.

darkspilver

What was that with a "wedding shower"? It is not the custom here thank goodness and I thought such displays of materialism were frowned on ...

Yeah, totally weird - that's why I posted it

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Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

by darkspilver in

for information:.

court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

darkspilver

(hey dubstepped - I think we're getting caught up in the middle.)

ANY medical procedure has risks - the important thing is knowing those risks, and managing them.

While refusing blood increases those risks in many cases - the issue here is OrphanCrow's arguing that blood transfusions are safer than they actually are - her 'six sigmas' for example - or just 3.4 defects per million opportunites.

The Serious Hazards Of Transfusion organisation studies ALL the issues regarding blood transfusion and publishes an annual report.

http://www.shotuk.org/

Did you know that even merely DONATING blood could be riskier than OrphanCrow's six sigmas?

SHOT's annual report report SAEDs - that's serious adverse events of donation - as well as issues and problems with the use of cell-salvage / cell-savers. It's a pretty comprehensive annual report - but it is 190 pages....

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Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

by darkspilver in

for information:.

court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

darkspilver

@ dubstepped: Who said blood transfusions were without risk?

OrphanCrow said that: "blood transfusions are the safest procedure available to the medical profession. The safest. That is a fact. Blood transfusions are the only medical procedure that reaches a six sigma safety rating."

A six sigma safety rating is the equivalent to the occurrence of 3.4 defects per million opportunities - a defect is everything that does not meet customer requirements such as even staying in the hospital one day longer than required or a mistake during the procedure.
https://www.isixsigma.com/industries/healthcare/six-sigma-powerful-strategy-healthcare-providers/

Interestingly The Serious Hazards Of Transfusion - SHOT - is the United Kingdom’s independent, professionally-led haemovigilance scheme, which is funded by the four British Blood Transfusion Services and is based at the Manchester Blood Centre, UK.

They collect statistical data, and present an annual review - 2016 hasn't been published yet, so the latest one is 2015.

http://www.shotuk.org/

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Why was Rutherford sent to prison?

by Alfred in

well that was 93 years ago so well probably never know all the facts.

but the wt claims that russell and others were falsely accused of sedition.

the may 9, 1918 new york times article that covered these arrests and sedition charges states that they were charged with spreading doctrines calculated to promote unrest and disloyalty among the men of the army and navy.

darkspilver

A. H. Macmillan in his book Faith on the March provides more information on the actual charges on pages 92 and 93

Our indictment was in four counts, each count charging a separate and distinct offense under different parts of the statute. This statute, known as the Espionage Law, was enacted June 15, 1917, and was strictly a war measure. It would be impossible to violate it when the country is at peace. The indictment as originally returned charged that a conspiracy was entered into some time between April 6, 1917, the date the United States declared war, and the sixth day of May, 1918. Upon motion the Government specified the date of the alleged offense as between June 15, 1917, and May 6, 1918. A conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit an unlawful act. At the trial the Government contended that The Finished Mystery was written and published designedly to hinder the United States in raising an army and prosecuting the war and that the defendants had written letters to members of the Society within draft age that interfered with the raising of an army. The Finished Mystery was offered in evidence by the Government and portions of it read, particularly the preface, pages 247-252, 406, 407 and 469. The Government counsel contended that these pages were designedly hidden in different parts of the book for the purpose of getting a person interested in some other part of the book and then influencing him by the statements concerning war; that publishing the book, The Bible Students Monthly and The Watch Tower, as well as writing letters to conscientious objectors, all were overt acts in carrying out the conspiracy.