Posts by darkspilver

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No Wonder That the WT Bean-Counters are Scared

by berrygerry in

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=exjw.

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https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=jw.org.

darkspilver

This is data using 'search terms' right?

I think the jworg apparent 'interest' drop in terms of internet searches shows that the target visitors for the site (ie JWs themselves) has matured so that they have learned to type in the domain themselves to their browsers, or have bookmarked it.

Also the use of the QR Code - which would negate the use of a search enhine - has increased in the last few years (though I suspect actual usage is very low?)

In addition, many R&F JWs nowadays only use the smart phone app for all their 'jw' needs and not the website (you ask them to look at something on the website, and they can't find it because they're on their phone looking at the app, not the website d'oh!)

'exjw' and 'ex jw' are mostly english speaking terms, whereas 'jworg' is international.

IMHO it would be better therefore to compare usage in an english speaking country, for example the USA:

What is interesting is the very slightly raised interest in 'exjw' (the blue line) over the last two years.

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252 Congregations have closed in Germany since 2015

by LevelThePlayingField in

this is a video from down with the tower.

it's excellent.

enjoy.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0lvvy2qurm.

darkspilver

Don't miss the wood for the forest.

Germany needs to close another 226 congregations to equal the same publisher-to-congregation ratio as in the USA.

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can you still record the talks at assemblies?

by greenhornet in

years ago my parents would record these talks and play them back all the time.

when they both died, we cleaned out the house and found 50 plus cassette tapes of recorded talks and they were labeled the year and the speaker at the time.

that was in the year 2000. we just gave them to there jw friends because i did not want to keep them for recording of music.

darkspilver

Short answer: Yes - it is announced at the start of the assembly

greenhornet: Years ago my parents would record these talks and play them back all the time.

I think it has gone out of 'fashion' to (audio) record the assemblies.

It would often be done for ones unable to attend - BUT the WT now provide video recordings of all the assemblies anyway (but not for each circuit - the recording will not normally be 'your' assembly).

TBH, nowadays, if JWs want something 'extra' to listen to, they just pop on re-runs of the JW TV monthly broadcasts

greenhornet: do they still provide the audio jacks for tape cassette recording or they now frown on that practice?

Pardon???? What is a 'tape cassette'???? haha - anyone still actually use them

Actually, at many conventions, they provide a live radio broadcast of the programme that can be recorded by a mp3 player - much, much easier to record!

Recordings are allowed - there is an announcement about them before the start of each day's session for example:

We extend a warm welcome to one and all!
We are delighted to be assembled together for this opening session of the “Don’t Give Up!” Regional Convention of Jehovah’s Witnesses!
Please note that the entire program is also being broadcast simultaneously on FM frequency XXX.
Any recordings of this program should be for your personal use or for the benefit of those unable to attend a convention this year.
Recordings should not be made available for general circulation or distribution.
Please bear in mind that no one is allowed on or around the stage to take pictures or to video record at any time during the convention program.
Although cameras, video recorders, electronic tablets, and other such devices are permitted if operated from your seat, when they are held up to take pictures or to record video, these devices can be distracting to those behind you. So please be considerate of others by not disturbing them or blocking their view.
Please do not use flash cameras during the program.
No cameras or recording devices are to be connected to the electrical or sound systems at the convention, nor should equipment be placed in aisles or in traffic areas.
READ FULL CHAIRMAN OUTLINE: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByWM0b0qtWlsbzFFazAzOTVFYXc/view

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252 Congregations have closed in Germany since 2015

by LevelThePlayingField in

this is a video from down with the tower.

it's excellent.

enjoy.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0lvvy2qurm.

darkspilver

The above reddit links lists the number of congregations that have apparently been merged.

Summary: 556 congs merged, so 278 congs being closed.

So two congregations are merged into one congregation, therefore one congregation has effectively 'closed'.

Although congregations are merged, other, new congregations may be formed, either in other geographical regions, and/or, in other language groups.

The above reddit chart appears to be based on calender (Jan) years, rather than 'service years' (Sept).

Below is a quick table knocked up to give some comparision of the trend.

Note that the 2006 merged congregation data is from July only. The 2017 merged congregation time period is unknown. The Yearbook data is for the actual year of the book, not the service year (ie 2017 is for 1 Sept 2015 to 31 Aug 2016). I've not double-checked the figures, please let me know if any mistakes!

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California Elder Arrested

by James Jack in

crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .

darkspilver

Fisherman: If and when that happens, it don't make headlines.

Wasn't an elder, but....

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5656118292381696/_post/5766182936248320

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US Child Marriage

by Slidin Fast in

i was blissfully unaware of the child marriage laws in the us.

it seems that it is possible and relatively common for girls as young as 12 to marry men much, much older than them.

in many states it seems that child marriage is relatively easy to arrange.

darkspilver

truth_b_known: I believe the Texas legislature just passed a law that requires persons to be of at least 18 years of age to marry.

No, I don't believe they have.

The background...

Between 2000 and 2014, more than 40,000 minors were married in Texas — more than in any other state. Texas also had one of the highest rates of child marriage in the country, coming in fourth overall, and was one of 14 states that gave 13-year-olds the green light to marry.
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/09/26/new-law-seeks-reduce-number-child-brides-texas/

Now...

In late September the state's legislator made it illegal for anyone under the age of 16 to marry, and also ruled that any persons between the ages 16 and 18 wanting to marry need the permission of a judge to do so.

but there's a loophole...

Texas legislators eliminated the dangerous loopholes that previously allowed marriage before 18, but they added a new dangerous loophole: the emancipation exception.
Provisions within the law allow for a person to be legally 'emancipated' from their parents, removing the legal limit.

and the loophole does gets used...

In Virginia, where a bill with a similar emancipation exception went into effect in July 2016, child marriage did not end. Some 36 children in Virginia have married since July 2016.

https://www.indy100.com/article/texas-child-marriage-laws-united-states-court-emancipation-unchained-at-last-tahirir-justice-center-7993206

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Ireland: A Failure To Bear Witness?

by darkspilver in

feature article in today's print edition (sunday, october 29, 2017) of the irish sunday business post newspaper along with small article on the front page.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_sunday_business_post.

jehovah’s witnesses in spotlight over their response to abuse cases.

the sunday business post, sunday, october 29, 2017 - front page of print edition.

darkspilver

A Failure to Bear Witness?

The Sunday Business Post, Sunday, October 29, 2017
In the summer of 2016, elders in an Irish Jehovah’s Witnesses Congregation we’re informed of a case of alleged child sexual abuse within their flock. According to the religion’s own internal rule in force at the time, when elders encounter a case of child sexual abuse they are required to contact the legal department of the London based Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain, also known simply as the Watch Tower.

Those guidelines, however, made no reference to notifying the police or the state authorities, and the elders were advised by the Watch Tower to conduct their own internal investigation into the matter.

This led to a disagreement among the elders about whether to contact the Gardai, especially when the abuser - who cannot be named because he is the subject of an ongoing investigation admitted his guilt.

Eventually, one of the elders decided to take the matter to the Gardai and made a statement.

Soon after, the Watch Tower’s legal department issued detailed instructions on how the matter should be handled by the congregation.

In a letter seen by The Sunday Business Post from August 2016, the legal department wrote that because the individual had “recently confessed to very serious wrongdoing” it was “necessary for certain restrictions to be applied and certain steps taken, in the interests of child safeguarding”.

Those restrictions included limiting his privileges, “even seemingly minor ones, such as would normally be assigned to those considered exemplary”, and ensuring that he was kept apart from children in the congregation.

The Watch Tower also advised the elders how they ought to handle the fact that the matter was the subject of a Garda investigation.

“As the secular authorities are investigating this matter, if approached, please arrange for two elders to telephone the Legal Department at the Branch for legal advice before discussing the matter with the authorities,” the letter said.

They also decided to discipline those elders who had been involved in notifying the Gardai, according to people familiar with the matter.

Further correspondence obtained by the Sunday Business Post shows that the Watch Tower sent a number of senior clergy to Ireland to deal with “an unusual situation for four elders to have their qualifications considered at one time “.

Soon after that letter, two of the congregation’s elders were stripped of their positions - akin to being defrocked as a priest, according to source. According to people who are familiar with the case, who didn’t want to be named for fear of the repercussions, the elders were deleted - in the religion’s own terminology - for “lacking soundness of mind” and “being disloyal”.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses religion is known worldwide for its fervency and piety - its members actively desire the end of the world, eschew smoking and voting, and refuse blood transfusions based on a literal reading of the Bible - as well as for its evangelical, door-to-door proselytizing.

The religion is highly insular and self-contained, and it tends to stay apart from the secular world.

All this has led to a growing disquiet, both inside the religion and outside it, over the manner in which it handles child sexual abuse allegations.

The aforementioned case is not a wholly isolated incident. The Sunday Business Post has also spoken to one woman - who did not wished to be named - who, in a separate case, notified the Gardai that one of her children had been allegedly abused by a member of the congregation. She discovered, during subsequent internal investigation, that the child had already alerted elders within the group to the abuse, though she was not told of this at the time and only learned of it later.

She said she had been informed that the authorities did not proceed with a prosecution because CCTV recordings in the area where the alleged abuse took place were unavailable, while a statement which had been made by one of her family members was subsequently withdrawn.

While it’s not possible to say whether a prosecution would have followed, what is clear is that in the aftermath of the investigation, the woman was shunned by the other members of her congregation, including close family members.

The woman told The Sunday Business Post: “The Organisation did not care for what happened to my child: their only concern was not bringing ‘reproach upon Jehovah’s Organisation’. As soon as they could tell I was not keeping quiet, they made sure no one from the congregation had any contact with me from then on.”

The Sunday Business Post is also aware of instances of elders in other Irish congregations being instructed to destroy records relating to allegations of child sexual abuse. These instructions were conveyed by email and telephone in recent months.

It’s not clear what motivated the instructions. Some individuals with whom The Sunday Business Post has spoken expressed reservations about the destruction, but felt compelled to carry out the orders. One elder has since taken legal advice on having destroyed the records.

According to one individual familiar with the organisation’s handling of child abuse: “It’s very simple. If the organisation turned around and reported it, we wouldn’t be where we are today. [It should be a case that] someone comes along and says: ‘I did this,’ and you’d report it. And you [the media] would have nothing to write about because there’d be no news. They’ve caused this article to be written because they didn’t handle it right in the first place.”

The Jehovah’s Witnesses have long held themselves at arm’s length from secular society, even on legal matters.

That can be best illustrated by a document circulated in November 2014, which the Sunday Business Post has seen.

While the document relates to matters of legal confidentiality, not specifically child sexual abuse, it shows London Headquarters advising its elders in Ireland and Britain that “even when secular authorities request confidential information, you are not obligated to answer questions before consulting the Legal Department. Oftentimes, secular authorities request confidential information to which they are not legally entitled. Thus, you could subject yourself and the organisation to civil liability if you reveal such confidential information “.

When it comes to matters related to child sexual abuse allegations, the Witnesses take a similar approach, guiding their members and elders to check with the Watch Tower’s legal department first for legal advice.

That advice relates mostly to handling their own internal investigations, documents seen by this newspaper show.

The guidelines instruct elders to set up a scriptural investigation to establish wrongdoing by any accused individual. Once that wrongdoing has been established, the accused individual will - depending on the level of repentance they show - either be disfellowshipped or reproved, meaning they will either get restricted privileges or be shunned entirely.

But even disfellowshipped Witnesses can, eventually, apply for reinstatement, the guidelines show.

Meanwhile, the elders are advised that the guidelines don’t apply in the case of a “minor who is a willing participant and who is approaching adulthood and who is involved in sexual activity with an adult who is a few years older than a minor”, even though, under Irish law, a child is “a person under the age of 18 years other than a person who is or has been married”.

Since September of this year, they have amended their guidelines to state that “the victim, her parents, or anyone else who reports such an allegation to the elders should be clearly informed that they have the right to report the matter to the secular authorities. Elders do not criticize anyone who chooses to make such a report”.

Meanwhile, the state’s rules on child abuse have also been changing. Last month, Minister for Children Katherine Zappone announced that mandatory reporting for suspected cases of child abuse would finally be made law. From December 11, the new law will impose statutory obligations on certain professionals to report child protection concerns to Tulsa.

Nevertheless, it remains unclear whether this covers the Jehovah’s Witnesses specifically.

When contacted by The Sunday Business Post, a spokesman for the department said that ‘mandated persons’ included a “member of the clergy [howsoever described] or pastoral care worker [howsoever described] of a church or other religious community “.

The spokesman pointed out that, under the Criminal Justice Act, it is a criminal offence to withhold information about a serious offence against a person under 18 years of age, while all persons, whether mandated reporters or not, should report reasonable concerns in relation to child welfare and protection to Tulsa.

Nevertheless, the department also pointed out that “it is a matter for any organisation, or individual, to assess whether, and extent to which, the provisions of the Children First Act 2015 apply to them and to seek legal advice if deemed neves. It is not the role of the Department of Children and Youth Affairs to interpret legislation for any particular person or category of persons”.

Last April, the Centre for Investigative Reporting (CIR) held a conference in London on the growing problem of child sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

The CIR is a highly respected California-based nonprofit investigative journalism organisation, and it invited to London such high-profile figures as US lawyer Irwin Zalkin, who has taken multiple cases against the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ corporate headquarters in New York, and Mike Rezendes, the Boston Globe reporter who was part of the Spotlight team that uncovered the Catholic Church’s decades of child sexual abuse in the US.

Also present was Professor Geoffrey Shannon, Ireland’s Special Rapporteur on Child Protection, who gave a talk on the parallels between the Jehovah’s Witnesses handling of child sexual abuse allegations and that of the Catholic Church.

Shannon told the Sunday Business Post that, during his talk, he explained to the audience how in both the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Catholic Church, “the maintenance of secrecy, the avoidance of scandal, the protection of the good name of the church and the assets of the church all took precedence over protecting vulnerable children”.

“There is a growing concern internationally that within the hierarchy of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, in some cases, there is a premium placed on the institution to the detriment of the welfare of children,” he told this newspaper last week.

Shannon also pointed out that the problems being experienced in Ireland are part of an increasing scrutiny on the religion worldwide, especially for the manner in which the organisation handles child sexual abuse allegations.

Last July, for example, the Charity Commission of England and Wales strongly criticized the Watch Tower for its handling of child sexual abuse, specifically in relation to a case related to a former member of the church named Jonathan Rose, who was subsequently convicted on several charges of abuse, but whose victims were forced to confront him to make their allegations as part of a three-hour meeting during the organisation’s internal investigation.

The Commission reported that “the inquiry found that the trustees of the charity did not engage openly and candidly with the Commission as the charity regulator. The trustees did not report the allegations to the Commission as a serious incident”.

The criticisms are not limited to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain. In Australia, a 2016 Royal Commission found that children were not adequately protected from the risk of sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses. It criticized the organisation’s practice of not reporting child sexual abuse to police or authorities unless required to do so by Australian law.

In the US, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have been sued by several former Witnesses who were abused while they were part of the congregation, most recently in February of this year, when it settled a case out of court with a woman named Stephanie Fessler who had been abused by a fellow church member in Pennsylvania.

Shannon said he welcomed the change in Ireland’s laws and the introduction of mandatory reporting - but this, he said, was only the beginning.

He added that the Catholic Church could once again provide a model for handling the increasing number of cases coming to light in the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

“In essence, what happened is that the church institutions were allowed to be beyond the reach of the law,” he told this newspaper. “We need to focus on the extent to which the law and its modus operandi were inadequate or even counter-productive, allowing perpetrators of sexual abuse to go unpunished”.

“We allowed the Catholic Church to be beyond the reach of the law, and allowing any institution to be beyond the reach of state laws is dangerous,” he said.

“Nothing predicts like the past, and we know that those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

“The State is now saying that it’s no longer acceptable for organisation’s to fail to report child sexual abuse. I think this is a defining moment in Ireland as we learn from the lessons of the past.”

The Sunday Business Post has asked the Watch Tower several times about its handling of child protection in the organisation, especially in Ireland, over the course of this investigation.

Last July, it stated that “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse in all its forms and do not shield wrongdoers from the authorities or from the consequences of their actions. All allegations of abuse are thoroughly investigated and appropriate restrictions are imposed on any person who is guilty of child sexual abuse”.

In response to another question this newspaper put to it in August, the Watch Tower pointed out that it has provided multiple articles on how to handle child abuse in its journals The Watchtower and Awake, as well as in published guidelines on its website,

It also stated that “congregation elders comply with child-abuse reporting laws. They provide abuse victims and their families with spiritual comfort from the Bible”.

It added that “the victim and his or her parents have the absolute right to report the matter to the governmental authorities”, and that “congregation elders do not shield abusers from the authorities or from the consequences of their actions”, while “anyone who commits the sin of child abuse faces expulsion from the congregation. If such a person is serving in a position of responsibility, he is removed”.

It concluded: “Any suggestion that Jehovah’s Witnesses cover up child abuse is absolutely false.”

hat tip https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/79furq/ireland_the_sunday_business_post_a_failure_to/dp1nvkp/

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Ireland: A Failure To Bear Witness?

by darkspilver in

feature article in today's print edition (sunday, october 29, 2017) of the irish sunday business post newspaper along with small article on the front page.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_sunday_business_post.

jehovah’s witnesses in spotlight over their response to abuse cases.

the sunday business post, sunday, october 29, 2017 - front page of print edition.

darkspilver

Feature article in today's PRINT edition (Sunday, October 29, 2017) of the Irish Sunday Business Post newspaper along with small article on the front page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sunday_Business_Post

Jehovah’s Witnesses in spotlight over their response to abuse cases

The Sunday Business Post, Sunday, October 29, 2017 - front page of print edition
In a number of cases, members have criticised the hierarchy about the handling of allegations of child sex abuse.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses religious movement is coming under increasing criticism for its handling of child abuse allegations in Ireland, The Sunday Business Post can reveal.
READ FULL ARTICLE: https://www.businesspost.ie/news/jehovahs-witnesses-spotlight-response-abuse-cases-401463

A failure to bear Witness?

The Sunday Business Post, Sunday, October 29, 2017 - front page of PostPlus print section
The Jehovah’s Witnesses religion is coming under mounting criticism for its handling of sexual abuse allegations in Ireland
In the summer of 2016, elders in an Irish Jehovah’s Witnesses congregation were informed of a case of alleged child sex abuse within their flock. According to the religion’s own internal rules in force at the time, when elders encounter a case of child sexual abuse they are required to contact the legal department of the London-based Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain, also known simply as the Watch Tower.
READ FULL ARTICLE: https://www.businesspost.ie/news/failure-bear-witness-401306

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Why Jehovah witnesses don't say, "Bless you" ?

by Issa in

jw
friends

bless you, that was a big sneeze you let out sister.. sister- ah, what does "bless you" mean?.

oh, it's pagan.

because people bless the soul of the person so they don't escape from their physical bodies.. sister- right, it is difficult to change the little things, but we can please jehovah by staying away from those things.. .... this is a scenario that happened when i accidentally (naturally) said "bless you" to the jw sister.

darkspilver

snugglebunny: Yet no-one ever says "Bless you" after a fart.

absolutely not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1gTOE477JQ

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Big xJW scandal

by Charlotte in

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darkspilver

Simon - nicely summed up