Personally, no feeling, whatsoever.
However, an engraved memory of my poor 15-year-old child's face at her baptism - totally confusion - okay, I did it, shouldn't I feel different?
My child's damaged JW life since is one of my prime motivations.
berrygerry
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How did you feel when you got baptised? Seriously....
by stuckinarut2 inso recently, several over-righteous ones in the cong were discussing "how amazing it felt when they got baptised".
statements like "how awesome did it feel as you got raised back out of the water?!".
or the classic "i felt so close to jehovah as i came out of the pool"!.
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are jw immigrant increasing in your area
by berrygerry ini bumped into a sister a while back, who was a law-student, immigration law.. .
at the time, i thought that it was unusual for a jw to be so open about going to uni.. after going through cdn jw court cases though, the highest percentage of cases involve foreign jw's claiming refugee status.. is this part of their growth strategy?.
africans who become jw's get strategic assistance to claim refugee status in western countries?.
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berrygerry
Thanks AFRIKANMAN
That is what I have been observing locally, and with the Refugee claims (as well as why WTS is sponsoring a sister to become a Immigration Lawyer).
(The only growth in our Alberta congo is African immigrants - very nice people BTW)
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How I Found Jesus!
by berrygerry inby looking at cdn court cases.. i knew i would find him if i persisted.. there is clear evidence, in my view, that beginning some time, probably in early 2010, but perhaps earlier, that mr. jones developed a delusional disorder with a primary religious focus.
mr. jones accounting of the development of his belief that he is jesus christ, is consistent with the known development of psychotic disorders.
mr. jones describes a period of time where he felt that he had some greater purpose or was meant for something important although he was unable to really identify what that was.
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berrygerry
By looking at Cdn court cases.
I knew I would find him if I persisted.
There is clear evidence, in my view, that beginning some time, probably in early 2010, but perhaps earlier, that Mr. Jones’ developed a delusional disorder with a primary religious focus. Mr. Jones’ accounting of the development of his belief that he is Jesus Christ, is consistent with the known development of psychotic disorders. Mr. Jones describes a period of time where he felt that he had some greater purpose or was meant for something important although he was unable to really identify what that was. This growing awareness is what is, in psychiatric parlance, known as the prodromal phase of the illness.... Mr. Dalton Jones then goes on to explain how he had a revelation from “Jehovah God” that he was, in fact, Jesus Christ. This sudden realization of one’s purpose in life in a delusional framework is often referred to as the epophany phase. During this phase of the illness, the person comes to experience themselves in the context of their delusional belief and begins to interpret all the information around them in light of that belief. Beginning then, sometime around March of 2010 or perhaps earlier, Mr. Jones began to interpret all of his interactions with other people in light of his belief that he was, in fact, Jesus Christ.
In my opinion there is evidence that supports that Mr. Dalton Jones’ current beliefs are a function of illness and not merely a representation of religious belief. According to family members there is little evidence to suggest that the family lean toward a fundamentalist view of religious scriptures and there is little evidence to suggest that Mr. Jones was, himself, a deeply spiritual man prior to the change in his behavior occurring about March of 2010. Although he did reconnect with the Jehovah Witness faith this appears to have been several months after the development of his delusional ideation. As I have noted in my previous report, Mr. Jones does not indicate that he is attempting to be Christ-like in his behavior but rather he indicates that he is Jesus Christ. Somewhat paradoxically, Mr. Jones’ believing that he is Jesus Christ has not really fundamentally changed his behavior for the better. Rather, it would appear that Mr. Jones’ delusional belief about his nature simply has given him a sense of righteousness over his behavior without manifestly changing his behavior towards what would be thought of as a better person. One of the most pervasive features of Mr. Jones’ illness is his belief that because he is Jesus Christ, his actions are unassailable. He believes that because he is Jesus Christ any decision that he makes or action that he takes is immediately vindicated because, as Jesus Christ, he can do no wrong. Although he uses Scripture to justify his actions, in my opinion, this is epiphenomena of his illness. That is, Mr. Jones believes, as a matter of his illness, that his actions are correct and his use of the Scriptures to support this is secondary. This is different than an individual who, due to religious beliefs, interprets the Scriptures as a way to determine right from wrong action.
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New Awake! Dealing With Mental Illness
by runForever incontains a list of 9 practical steps except they forgot one: 10. do not become a jehovah's witness.. .
1. follow the treatment prescribed.
by qualified mental-health.
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WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT BELOW
[9] The admitted facts and the psychological and psychiatric evidence provide a clear picture of the nature of the offence and the circumstances surrounding it. Mr. Bobocel admitted that he and Ms. Bigelow were having marital problems and Mr. Bobocel knew Ms. Bigelow was saving money to leave the relationship. On the evidence before me, it is probable that Mr. Bobocel had a disagreement with Ms. Bigelow on March 11, 2011, the date of the offence. Thereafter, between 5:55 AM and 6:30 AM, Mr. Bobocel went outside to retrieve a ball peen hammer from his truck. He then returned to the bedroom where Ms. Bigelow slept in her bed and struck her 3 times on the head with the hammer. Their 5 children were sleeping elsewhere in the home. Mr. Bobocel told police that he knew Roxanne was dead because she hadn’t moved for about an hour.
[12] The brutality of Mr. Bobocel’s actions are inarticulable and because Mr. Bobocel thereafter attempted to conceal his crime and to dispose of Ms. Bigelow’s body by grinding it up, no post-mortem was possible. In fact, only 60% of her remains were recovered and returned to her family for burial. Consequently, Mr. Bobocel’s admission that he struck Ms. Bigelow 3 times on the head is the only information the Court has regarding the manner and duration of the attack.
[14] He deprived 5 children of their mother and their father; the youngest of the children was only two at the time. Ms. Bigelow’s mother and sister must cope with the responsibility of raising five children and answering their unanswerable questions about that day. The lives of the people close to Ms. Bigelow will be forever changed by Mr. Bobocel’s actions that day.
[21] Finally, Mr. Bobocel is of Metis decent. For that reason, the Court ordered the pre-sentence report to address Gladue factors. It is recognized that Gladue principles are of limited relevance for crimes as serious as murder, but in any event, the Court concluded from that report that Gladue principles are not relevant at all in the circumstances of this case. The pre-sentence report states that Mr. Bobocel only became aware of his Metis background when he was 28 years old. He intends to take advantage of his Metis Settlement card for the benefits available to him when he is released and returns to his logging business. He has never lived on a Metis Settlement and does not intend to do so when released. More importantly, he was raised to follow the ways and traditions of a Jehovah’s Witness and has no desire to follow the ways of the Metis people.Right out of Fargo.
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How would YOU like to die - At home with your family, or in Hospital with Strangers
by fulltimestudent ina big decision no one wants to make, but would you have a preference?.
and, i guess it may depend on what kind of relationship you have with your family.. .
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Why dont U.S. JW's Celelbrate Thanksgiving
by stan101 ini remeber the old young people ask book had an entry that explained why each holiday was bad.
i was searching for it today on jw.org and it looks like the new young people ask has ommited that section.
im just curiouse why jw's dont celebrate the holiday..
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berrygerry
I love US Thanksgiving.
Food, football, and family (just do it with the ones you want - save your arguing for Christmas [or, for me, Festivus] ).
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New Awake! Dealing With Mental Illness
by runForever incontains a list of 9 practical steps except they forgot one: 10. do not become a jehovah's witness.. .
1. follow the treatment prescribed.
by qualified mental-health.
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This JW may just possibly, need a teenie-weenie bit of help.
SS testified at the Hearing. Initially he was tearful when referencing his concern for his sister and her soul and faith. He spoke in an intelligent and coherent manner and was appeared forthright in his testimony. SS indicated that he did suffer from schizophrenia. He noted that he had joined the Jehovah Witness church and that he had gone to his parents home on March 20, 2010 and spoke with his sister about his faith and beliefs. He stated that he did so because in the past he had always helped her with such things as getting employment. He noted that he encouraged her to keep up her faith and pray to God. SS stated that his sister left the room in which they first were talking privately and so he followed her and began to speak with her in their first language again advising her that he was willing to walk with her and willing to support her in her faith. SS noted that he had her by the wrist and that he was asking her to come to the Kingdom Hall and walk the walk of faith. SS noted that at this time his sister’s boyfriend asked SS to leave the home. SS noted that he raised his voice and that SS said this was a “family matter” and “religious issue.” SS indicated that his sister was crying and that he then held his hand up to the boyfriend at which point the boyfriend pushed SS. SS stated he then punched the boyfriend in the right side of the face. SS noted that the boyfriend did not need medical attention. SS testified that he understood why the family felt threatened by this incident and that he relayed this information to the doctors. SS indicated that he was a non-violent person and that he would only harm others in self-defense if he were attacked first. SS indicated that he did not have a criminal record and had never harmed anyone in the past.
SS stated that he no longer struggled with demons. He noted that he had heard voices of demons who told him “Jesus was a fag” and that this was before Christmas service. SS noted that he became ill in January after hearing this voice. SS indicated that he also heard the voice of God. When asked if God was in charge, SS responded by stated that he had “submitted his will to God.” SS then indicated that he has not received instructions from God in the past but has heard comforting messages or comments on what SS was doing from God. SS indicated that he had never been told to harm anyone by either the demons or by God. SS noted that on one occasion he was driving down the street when his lane was coming to an end and there was no room to merge when God said “you’re safe” and then a clearing came in the traffic for him to merge into.
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are jw immigrant increasing in your area
by berrygerry ini bumped into a sister a while back, who was a law-student, immigration law.. .
at the time, i thought that it was unusual for a jw to be so open about going to uni.. after going through cdn jw court cases though, the highest percentage of cases involve foreign jw's claiming refugee status.. is this part of their growth strategy?.
africans who become jw's get strategic assistance to claim refugee status in western countries?.
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I bumped into a sister a while back, who was a law-student, immigration law.
At the time, I thought that it was unusual for a JW to be so open about going to uni.
After going through Cdn JW court cases though, the highest percentage of cases involve foreign JW's claiming refugee status.
Is this part of their growth strategy?
i.e. Africans who become JW's get strategic assistance to claim refugee status in western countries?
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Thanks, DT. PD made weird statements then for for a white S.A.
I was tempted to contact Merlyn McNutt, also in that class, an ancient Cdn CO, whom I've known forever (VERY nice guy).
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Judge reprimands lawyer for failing to disclose connection to church
by aposta-Z ini saw this link on facebook (thank you watchtower uncensored):.
http://www.canadianlawyermag.com/legalfeeds/985/judge-reprimands-lawyer-for-failing-to-disclose-connection-to-church.html .
a witness and a lawer.
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berrygerry
Haven't found a follow-up on this case, as it was appealed by WTS.
The result is summarized here: http://estatelaw.hullandhull.com/2014/02/articles/uncategorized/sawdon-estate-v-sawdon/
Sawdon Estate v. Sawdon
By Hull & Hull LLP on February 11, 2014 Posted in Uncategorized
Earlier this month the Ontario Court of Appeal released it’s decision in Sawdon Estate v. Sawdon. The decision provides an interesting discussion on cost awards in estate matters and in particular on the right of an estate trustee to be indemnified for the legal costs they incurred. I recently did a podcast with David Smith on this decision which should be posted today, but I think the case is worth further consideration.
I will briefly summarize the facts in this case below. The deceased, Arthur, was survived by his five children. Prior to his death he transferred seven bank accounts into joint ownership with a right of survivorship with two of his sons. The total value of the accounts was slightly over $1 million. He told his sons that upon his death the money was to be divided amongst his five children equally. He also left a Will which provided for specific bequests to his children and the residue to go to a charity called the Watch Tower. His son, Wayne, was appointed estate trustee. At trial, the Watch Tower argued that the bank accounts were held on a resulting trust for the estate. Wayne and the other children of the deceased took the position that the accounts were not estate assets. At trial, the Court found in favour of the estate trustee and beneficiaries and ordered the Watch Tower to pay the costs of the estate trustee on a partial indemnity basis. Wayne sought an order that the balance of his legal costs be paid out of the estate. The trial court declined to make that order. The Watch Tower appealed the decision, including the costs order. The estate trustee cross-appealed arguing that he should be indemnified from the estate for any costs not recovered from Watch Tower. The Court of Appeal dismissed Watch Tower’s appeal and granted the estate trustee’s request for indemnification from the estate. They reviewed the basic principles with respect to cost awards applicable in the circumstances. In particular, they discussed the case law which provides that an estate trustee should be indemnified for his or her legal costs out of the trust unless they have (i) acted unreasonably or (ii) acted in their own self- interest. In my opinion the most interesting part of this decision is the point made by the Court of Appeal that although Wayne took a position that the bank accounts were not part of the estate, and therefore he was not trying to enlarge the estate assets, the litigation did benefit the estate and he was not acting in his own self-interest. Rather, he was fulfilling his duty as ab estate trustee to verify the assets of the estate and to ensure that the testator’s wishes were carried out. The Court of Appeal was not troubled by the fact that Wayne stood to benefit in his personal capacity if the bank accounts passed outside the estate. They also said that the estate trustee had an obligation to present evidence in his knowledge about the deceased’s wishes, and it would not have been proper for him not to advance such evidence and remain neutral in the proceedings. Finally the Court of Appeal said that they saw no problem with making a “blended” costs award, where multiple parties pay a certain portion of the costs award. In reaching its decision, the Court emphasized that if estate trustees are faced with the prospect of personally paying costs, then more people will decline such appointments and more estate trustees will avoid bringing proper matters before the Court. This case should bring some comfort to estate trustees as it provides further authority for the proposition that estate trustees should ordinarily be fully indemnified for their legal costs out of the estate.
Thanks for reading!
The court record is here: http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2012/2012onsc4042/2012onsc4042.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHamVob3ZhaAAAAAAB
Prior to TTATT, one would never have believed the depth of lying that WTS would go to grab cash.