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  The right to shun - wrong?

  by Simon in

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  many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

  it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

  of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

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  berrygerry

  I don't know anything about this or how they have specifically used this law in their favour but I can say that the opposite is also true.
  

  
  The US has a very flawed view of corporations, which spills over into all institutions, including religion.
  
  Corporations are NOT "persons," and should have few, if any, rights.
  
  The consequential US decision is that directors and executives of corporations must ONLY do what is in the "best interest of the shareholders."

  
  Hence, we then end up with "risk management," whereby business decision are SOLELY based on short-term monetary decisions (eg. Chrysler's refusal to abandon a known faulty hatch design, as well as refusing to recall a 25 to 50 CENT patch - resulting in numerous deaths - see page 8 of pdf http://websites.firecompanies.com/njiaai/files/2014/07/Daimler-Chrysler-Vehicle-Problems.pdf )

  
  The film "The Corporation" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_%28film%29 ) rightly described them as psychopathic:

  "The Corporation attempts to compare the way corporations are systematically compelled to behave with what it claims are the DSM-IV‍ '​s symptoms of psychopathy, e.g., the callous disregard for the feelings of other people, the incapacity to maintain human relationships, the reckless disregard for the safety of others, the deceitfulness (continual lying to deceive for profit), the incapacity to experience guilt, and the failure to conform to social norms and respect the law. "

  (Sound familiar?)

  As was acknowledged by WT in the Aus RC, a person desiring to leave the WT corporation / religion faces an impossible choice.

  No person should have to make that choice.

  WTS is the epitome of a psychopathic entity.

  WTS deserves old-world justice executed on murderous psychopaths.
  
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  The right to shun - wrong?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

  it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

  of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

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  berrygerry

  Simon, at first I almost thought that you were trolling your own site.

  Institutional shunning is spiritual abuse, which has become recognized as being as harmful as other forms of abuse.

  ( See http://www.gov.nl.ca/VPI/types/#5 )

  IMO, one of the absolutely most insane court decisions of all time was when the US Supreme Court decided that corporations are persons (and therefore have some rights ??? ).

  Although WT exploits the insanity of this US view, as well as the other US "freedom of religion" (which they interpret as freedom BY THE RELIGION), the rest of the world, and esp. CommonWealth countries [Oz, UK, Canada, etc.], are not bound by such nonsense.)

  The ONLY way that WT has managed to even make it to 2015 is because of income and property tax exemptions (as well as tax deductions for for member donations) (and, in Canada, GST credit refunds [a sick, largely unknown teat-suck, told to the congos by the Branch] ). (Rutherford saw the writing on the wall when he decided that "TRUE" religion was not a snare and a racket.)
  

  CRA charity eligibility states ( http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/chrts/pplyng/ftwp-eng.html ):

  Activities that are illegal or contrary to Canadian public policy

  Organizations that undertake illegal activities (e.g., fraud, or money laundering) will not qualify for registration.

  Organizations with activities contrary to Canadian public policy will not qualify for registration. A public policy is a definite and officially declared and implemented policy (i.e., found in an act of Parliament, or a regulation).

  Elucidate your position, which I see as, that WT is not violating Canadian public policy by instructing its members to selectively spiritually abuse certain individuals, as so deemed exclusively by WT or its reps.
  
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  Oh the humanities...my wicked neighbor!

  by username in

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  i have been given a piece of birthday cake as it was his birthday yesterday!

  will i be a human hot dog now?.....

  this just got me thinking of all the stupidities of the watchtower teachings, someone very kindly offers you something as innocent as a slice of chocolate cake but we were supposed to turn it down because that peace of chocolate cake now had horns poking out the top of the chocolate frosting.

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  Such BS.

  Through work, I saw today a 6-year-old girl, and her 5-year-old brother who were so excited, because they were going to a friend's birthday party today.

  Pure, unadulterated joy and expectation in their little faces.

  Priceless.
  
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  It Is Official - They Are Shutting Down

  by berrygerry in

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  i never it expected so soon - (should have posted sooner, but i was unaware - and i sent in my donation, too.).

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwkqh3lcgvw.

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  The video is disabled...

  Who is sitting down???

  Click on the "Watch This Video on YouTube" link.
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwkqh3lCgvw&feature=player_embedded
  
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  It Is Official - They Are Shutting Down

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
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  i never it expected so soon - (should have posted sooner, but i was unaware - and i sent in my donation, too.).

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwkqh3lcgvw.

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  berrygerry

  I never it expected so soon - (Should have posted sooner, but I was unaware - and I sent in my donation, too.)
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwkqh3lCgvw
  
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  Watching the World - Religious Magazines Fold

  by berrygerry in

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  awake - may 8, 1993.

  two of the nations oldest religious magazines, american baptist and christian herald, have ceased publication, reports an associated press dispatch.

  both the 115-year-old christian herald, started in 1878 and based in chappaqua, n.y., and the 189-year-old american baptist, whose antecedent magazine started in 1803, cited declining circulation.

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  Hmmm.

  Awake - May 8, 1993

  “Two of the nation’s oldest religious magazines, American Baptist and Christian Herald, have ceased publication,” reports an Associated Press dispatch. “Both the 115-year-old Christian Herald, started in 1878 and based in Chappaqua, N.Y., and the 189-year-old American Baptist, whose antecedent magazine started in 1803, cited declining circulation.” The monthly American Baptist, based in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, will be replaced by a newsletter. However, another religious journal of that era, The Watchtower, continues to grow. First published monthly in 1879 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, with a circulation of 6,000 copies in English, The Watchtower is now published semimonthly in 112 languages and has a circulation of 16,400,000 copies per issue.

  Would AP be interested in a follow-up story? (Probably not)
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  First thoughts on "new" meeting...

  by konceptual99 in

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  had a quick look at the workbook and flicked through the sample meeting video.. the increased use of video shows the trend for more centralised dissemination of "best practice" .

  sure there isn't really a "school" any more and the format is a bit different but i think those that called it as the same old crap just in new package got it pretty much right.

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  25:20 of video

  Sister Silhouette: "You have a beautiful home here."

  Follow-up statements:

  - Option A - Wouldn't you like to find true happiness by selling your home and donating the equity to Almighty God's chosen ones on earth, and thereafter sponging off of the goodwill of others like I do?

  - Option B - Can I share a Scripture with you? This Scripture clearly shows that all of those that are not worshiping the True God as I say, will be destroyed, but that their property will remain, somewhat like a neutron bomb.

  My family has suffered for this belief, and deeply desire to be rewarded by assuming ownership to your home as a reward.

  Would you like to learn more about this loving arrangement?
  
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  JWs are getting worried about the lay-offs in the ORG.

  by DATA-DOG in

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  i'm upstairs, eavesdropping on a conversation between an eldubs wife and my wife.

  they are hoping for "clarification" on everything that's going on with the construction scene.

  so, rest assured, dubs are talking.

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  LOL!!! It's so dumb! The dubs are still trying to access the site. Maybe it's just my area of the country? "This isn't good, this isn't good", say the dubs.

  I always wondered about the scenario post-Armageddon.

  No electricity, no cell-phones, no internet, no anything.

  At least Doomsday Preppers are prepared - WTS, not so much.

  (Jurassic World - the kids somehow find a way to charge 20-year old batteries, and then start a Jeep with 20-year-old gasoline. Yeah, right.)
  
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  In the news: Warwick gets more money?

  by LevelThePlayingField in

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  source:http://www.warwickadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20151001/news01/151009998/warwick-seeks-amendment-to-town-code.

  [at the end of the article] does this mean they are getting more money???.

  sweeton also sought a resolution to reduce the performance bond from pledged collateral account control agreement with the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. from $22.6 million to $7.3 million and to authorize the release the difference to the organization.. the watchtower bible and tract society jehovah’s witnesses world headquarters is advancing in its new construction.

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  berrygerry

  Maybe claiming that construction was nearing its end, or saying that whatever construction is left is not as huge or expensive as the previous years.

  A performance bond is just that, a bond that ensures that a project will be completed.

  When a site is "under construction," it is worth far less than if it were virgin land.

  Partially completed concrete structures would be VERY expensive to remove, together with the rest of the work that is "in progress."

  WT must have argued that they reached a point whereby they have reached a "near-completion" point, or a point that, if necessary, a buyer would be able to use the completed work, and finish the project.
  
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  Proof that Armageddon will come in 2020 or 2021.

  by berrygerry in

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  2. beliefs

  somewhat just posted a link to www.jw2016.borg (remove the b ) which is an up-and-running site for 2016 dub conventions.the borg has also registered jw2017, jw2018, jw2019, and jw2020 (all .org)however, they have not reg'd jw2021.therefore, the conclusion in the title.

  (a non-wt has reg'd jw2022.org)( jw2021.org is presently available, wink-wink).

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  These governments and their supporters oppose God even now by refusing to submit to his rulership.

  How exactly are these governments and their supporters supposed to "submit to his rulership?" Turn over all government direction and control to the WT?