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  The Elders are Coming Help!

  by LaurenM in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the elders keep bugging me and pestering me about having a meeting with them to "introduce me to my new congregation" for some reason (do any ex elders know what that even means??).

  i keep postponing and making excuses and they are getting more and more aggressive.

  i finally agreed for them to come over today, but really don't want to..should i hide from them again?

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  berrygerry

  If a new congo, did you move?

  If so, how did they get your new address?

  (Once you've dealt with the present situation, never give out your address, phone or work again.)
  
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  Deborah

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i, like many others, was furiously emailing about deborah when the issue of only male elders came up.. it seemed curious that angus didn't address deborah, as he surely knew of it.. thankfully, ol' geoff, and wt, cannot resist trying to get in a last word, which opened the door for angus.

  (he's one cool customer.).

  341 in his written statement provided to the royal commission following the close of thepublic hearing, mr jackson offered the relevant scriptural references to which headverted but was unable to provide during the hearing.

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  berrygerry

  He (Angus) did not make a mistake.

  The guy is a legal genius.
  
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  Deborah

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i, like many others, was furiously emailing about deborah when the issue of only male elders came up.. it seemed curious that angus didn't address deborah, as he surely knew of it.. thankfully, ol' geoff, and wt, cannot resist trying to get in a last word, which opened the door for angus.

  (he's one cool customer.).

  341 in his written statement provided to the royal commission following the close of thepublic hearing, mr jackson offered the relevant scriptural references to which headverted but was unable to provide during the hearing.

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  berrygerry

  I, like many others, was furiously emailing about Deborah when the issue of only male elders came up.

  It seemed curious that Angus didn't address Deborah, as he surely knew of it.

  Thankfully, ol' Geoff, and WT, cannot resist trying to get in a last word, which opened the door for Angus. (He's one cool customer.)

  341 In his written statement provided to the Royal Commission following the close of the
  public hearing, Mr Jackson offered the relevant scriptural references to which he
  adverted but was unable to provide during the hearing. Specifically, he referred to
  various books of the Old Testament which, he said, describe judges and priests as being
  all male.625 Mr Jackson said that although the Mosaic Law of the Old Testament ended
  ‘[o]n Pentecost 33 C.E.’, its principles ‘guided the first century Christian congregation
  and served as the context for future practices’.626 Mr Jackson explained that it is on this
  basis that the apostle Paul ‘identifies only male members of the congregation as
  potential elders’ in 1 Timothy 3:1.627
  342 It should be noted by the Royal Commission that, in his statement, Mr Jackson referred
  only to those books of the Old Testament in which men are described as judges, and did
  not refer to Judges 4:4‐5 which tells of the female judge, Deborah. Specifically, the
  verses report that Deborah, ‘a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at
  that time’ and that the ‘Israelites would go up to her for judgment’. Since a woman judge
  was apparently accepted in the Old Testament, it is not apparent why women should
  not be judges of ‘Christian’ guilt or innocence in the Jehovah’s Witness organisation.
  
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  In That Hour

  by berrygerry in

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  2. scandals

  looks like wt didn't like getting schooled by angus on the no-witness rape in deut.. geoff later sent in a written statement:.

  329 it was suggested to mr jackson that this scripture provided the basis for the governingbody not to apply the twowitness rule in the case of sexual abuse, or that it called into question the proper foundation to the twowitness rule in the case of sexual abuse.

  mrjacksons answer was to say that the jehovahs witnesses believe that there is a properfoundation to the rule because of the number of times that it is emphasised in thescriptures.607 mr jackson did not say that there is no prospect of modifying theapplication of the twowitness rule within scriptural requirements so as to make itinapplicable to cases of sexual abuse.330 in a statement provided to the royal commission after the close of the public hearing,mr jackson offered an alternative explanation of deuteronomy 22:2327 to that whichhe had accepted in oral evidence.608 in his statement mr jackson explained that themans guilt had been judged at an earlier stage in deuteronomy, and that the referencedverses dealt only with establishing guilt (or absence thereof) on the part of thewoman.609 in his statement, mr jackson did not seek to explain the reason for thedifference between his oral and written evidence as to context of deuteronomy 22:2327.331 it is submitted that there is little utility in attempting to resolve the conflict between mrjacksons oral and his subsequent written evidence on the subject of the relevance ofdeuteronomy 22:2327 to the flexibility of the twowitness rule.however, it is open tothe royal commission to note the difficulty experienced by even a member of the governing body in arriving at an interpretation of deuteronomy 22:2327 which renders it irrelevant to the application of the twowitness rule.. .

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  berrygerry

  Looks like WT didn't like getting schooled by Angus on the no-witness rape in Deut.

  Geoff later sent in a written statement:

  329 It was suggested to Mr Jackson that this Scripture provided the basis for the Governing
  Body not to apply the two‐witness rule in the case of sexual abuse, or that it called into question the proper foundation to the two‐witness rule in the case of sexual abuse. Mr
  Jackson’s answer was to say that the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that there is a proper
  foundation to the rule because of the number of times that it is emphasised in the
  Scriptures.607 Mr Jackson did not say that there is no prospect of modifying the
  application of the two‐witness rule within Scriptural requirements so as to make it
  inapplicable to cases of sexual abuse.
  330 In a statement provided to the Royal Commission after the close of the public hearing,
  Mr Jackson offered an alternative explanation of Deuteronomy 22:23‐27 to that which
  he had accepted in oral evidence.608 In his statement Mr Jackson explained that the
  man’s guilt had been judged at an earlier stage in Deuteronomy, and that the referenced
  verses dealt only with establishing guilt (or absence thereof) on the part of the
  woman.609 In his statement, Mr Jackson did not seek to explain the reason for the
  difference between his oral and written evidence as to context of Deuteronomy 22:23‐
  27.
  331 It is submitted that there is little utility in attempting to resolve the conflict between Mr
  Jackson’s oral and his subsequent written evidence on the subject of the relevance of
  Deuteronomy 22:23‐27 to the flexibility of the two‐witness rule.However, it is open to
  the Royal Commission to note the difficulty experienced by even a member of the Governing Body in arriving at an interpretation of Deuteronomy 22:23‐27 which renders it irrelevant to the application of the two‐witness rule.
  

  Hey, what happened to:
  

  …11 "When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

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  Australian Royal Commission Findings released

  by Mephis in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  will just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.

  in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.

  available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

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  berrygerry

  Whoever on here stated that Toole was going to be the fall guy pegged it.
  
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  2015-11-18-BOE--Credits to jwfacts!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thanks to mr. jwfacts we now have a copy of this letter.

  i would have posted it on his thread but there was already 2 pages of replies and i didn't think the link would be seen.. thank you again mr. facts!.

  .. click the green download button.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/bbduxaa.

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  berrygerry

  Looks like they're in need of lawyers smarter than the last bunch for the next goround -

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5730929465098240/my-rc-hearing-brought-forward-will-two-weeks
  
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  Funny grammar error in German Watchtower

  by processor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  they seem to have laid off their proofreaders.

  in the new 03/2016 study watchtower there is a picture description:a mature young person does not act like a friend of god at the kingdom hall but a friend of the world at school.

  the german issue saysein reifer junger mensch verhalt sich im konigreichssaal nicht wie ein freund jehovas und in der schule wie ein freund der welt.

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  I`d be more concerned with the image:

  hair, t-shirt, blue jeans, cellphone - all wicked.
  
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  UPDATE APRIL 2015 New Documents Re: Charity Commission Investigation into Watchtower Britain

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  an updated list of documents relating to the charity commission investigation into watchtower of britain and jehovah's witnesses are available on jw leaks.. jw leaks.

  original charity commission press release.

  press release.

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  jhine 3 days ago

  So I get that there are two different investigations and it is the charity commission that is looking at the WT .

  Is it possible for people who have been abused by members of the WT to get in touch with the people carrying out the investigation into historic abuse cases and get these looked at , like in Australia ?

  Jan

  Cedars has been looking for shunning experiences from UK persons.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3t7pac/help_needed_shunning_experiences_from_uk_exjws/
  
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  Funny link tool (courtesy of a redditor )

  by berrygerry in

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  http://www.gizoogle.net/xfer.php?link=http://www.jw.org/&sa=u&ved=0ahukewiizpdc8rbjahwc6rqkhx0tdy4qfggbmaa&usg=afqjcnepguvdw6ee4plaajxajjav0tpasg

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  The Families page is worth a read:

  http://www.gizoogle.net/xfer.php?link=http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/families
  
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  Funny link tool (courtesy of a redditor )

  by berrygerry in

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  http://www.gizoogle.net/xfer.php?link=http://www.jw.org/&sa=u&ved=0ahukewiizpdc8rbjahwc6rqkhx0tdy4qfggbmaa&usg=afqjcnepguvdw6ee4plaajxajjav0tpasg

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  http://www.gizoogle.net/xfer.php?link=http://www.jw.org/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiIzPDc8rbJAhWC6RQKHX0tDy4QFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNEPguVDW6Ee4pLaAJxAJjav0TpAsg