Thanks.
Checked those links - nada.
Only question left is that the original book in the links is 56 or 58 pages and the Amazon edition is 128 pages.
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Thoughts on the Source of a WT Quote?
by berrygerry inso, i posted this thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5743929701957632/this-fair-description-jehovahs-witness-religion-encourages-strife-numbs-human-conscience-fills-brain.
on another forum, and as well posted it here primarily to ask a question.. an astute redditor went to the beginning of the 2004 article - .
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Thoughts on the Source of a WT Quote?
by berrygerry inso, i posted this thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5743929701957632/this-fair-description-jehovahs-witness-religion-encourages-strife-numbs-human-conscience-fills-brain.
on another forum, and as well posted it here primarily to ask a question.. an astute redditor went to the beginning of the 2004 article - .
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berrygerry
So, I posted this thread:
on another forum, and as well posted it here primarily to ask a question.
An astute redditor went to the beginning of the 2004 article -
The WT quote there is:
“WHEN religion is not encouraging strife it is acting as a drug which numbs the human conscience and fills the human brain with escapist fantasies. . . . [It] causes human beings to be narrow, superstitious, full of hatred and fear.” The former Methodist missionary who wrote that added: “These charges are true. There is bad and good religion.”—Start Your Own Religion.
The redditor posted that that book was written by Timothy Leary.
Timothy Leary did write a book of that title
http://www.amazon.com/Start-Your-Religion-Timothy-Leary/dp/1579510736
I do not feel like shelling out $20. to verify if that quote is in the book or not, and the local library does not have a copy.
The statement that religion "is acting as a drug which numbs the human conscience and fills the human brain with escapist fantasies," certainly sounds like it would have come from his book.
However, the statement: "The former Methodist missionary who wrote that" does seem confusing, although there is the typical WT ... in the quote, which could break up what the Methodist missionary said, and what Timothy Leary himself wrote.
Any thoughts?
Of all people, did WT actually use a quote from Timothy Leary?
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Is this a fair description? The Jehovah's Witness religion ‘encourages strife, numbs the human conscience, fills the brain with ...
by berrygerry inthe jehovah's witness religion encourages strife, numbs the human conscience, fills the brain with escapist fantasies, and causes people to be narrow-minded, superstitious, and full of hatred and fear!
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The reason that I asked is because of this quote from 2004 WT:
Yes, God himself is deeply offended by religion that ‘encourages strife, numbs the human conscience, fills the brain with escapist fantasies, and causes people to be narrow-minded, superstitious, and full of hatred and fear’!
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2004121?q=God+himself+is+deeply+offended+by+religion&p=par
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Is this a fair description? The Jehovah's Witness religion ‘encourages strife, numbs the human conscience, fills the brain with ...
by berrygerry inthe jehovah's witness religion encourages strife, numbs the human conscience, fills the brain with escapist fantasies, and causes people to be narrow-minded, superstitious, and full of hatred and fear!
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My Bethel Experience part 15 Health, Dismemberment, Death (natural and unnatural) murder.
by new boy inthis is the fun one......... .
health, dismemberment, death (natural and unnatural) murder and suicide..
the people at bethel were killing us spiritually.......and sometimes they killed us physically too..
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berrygerry
Like I say all the time it's a criminal organization.
A criminal organization disguised as a religion.
Truer words were never spoken.
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My Bethel Exoerience part 14 "The Courtship"
by new boy inmy strange bethel courtship started with me trying to meet mike stillman's sister, even though he worked in the ink room next to my elevator, we were not good friends, he was just a little to "country" for me........and on the self-righteous side too.
they say "there is nothing more dangerous in combat then a new guy with a map!
".........well, there was nothing more dangerous at bethel then a self-righteous new boy.. .
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Before he died she was nice enough to send him a watchtower subscription every year. She loved him that much.
Ahh, nothing like love in the WT world.
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JW's Funerals, Forget About The Person! Let's Preach.
by new boy ingod forbid you would talk about the dead person at his funeral.
so what do most people get after living 70-80 years?.
a 5-10 minutes eulogy.
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berrygerry
Funny timing.
Recently saw an obit for a former elder that had faded decades ago. He had requested no memorial service.
Noticed the same thing from another older Dub a few months back.
When someone requests no memorial service, it seems to be making a statement about their belief system.
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How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?
by stuckinarut2 init's amazing how the expression "the truth" has become such an ingrained term used by witnesses.. "we have 'the truth'".
"is he 'in the truth'?".
most here have found out so many facts about the organisation, and felt the effects of being "gut-punched" as we realised these facts.. so how do you feel about the expression "the truth" now?.
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berrygerry
One of Rutherford's brilliant marketing moves.
(Together with "Serve Jehovah" = Serve Watch Tower, as well as: Advertise, Advertise, Advertise)
Rutherford belonged on Madison Avenue - he would have made even more (but without the fanfare and accolades accorded to him, Jo. Smith, and L. Ron Hubbard)
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his mother chooses to miss out on all this.
Incorrect word choice, IMO.
She does not choose - she has been mandated to do this by her leaders.
WT creates "emotional martyrs."
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Just realized this recently - as a JW, I never "owned" any of my accomplishments or talents & abilities....
by Muddy Waters injust realized this recently - as a jw, i never "owned" any of my accomplishments or talents & abilities....we were always told how we are nothing, just specks of dust, grasshoppers, worms.... lowly, despicable sinners in need of redemption, born into sin & misery, constantly facing temptations that we could never handle on our own but only with "jehovah's help"... so we were continually marginalized, all our abilities and talents... they would even quote scriptures that said things like "why should we boast as if we didn't receive these abilities..?
"it was a weird mentally psychotic dichotomy -- being told we were worthless sinners, undeserving of god's kindness -- and on the other hand being the only ones who would survive the great day of jehovah the almighty god at armageddon.
(well, probably, maybe, if we did enough and *kept* doing enough...)so we didn't "own" any of our abilities and accomplishments.
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berrygerry
I read your post while reading the following in a book:
High self-esteem provides the power to know what and who we are. It gives us the courage to live out that very personal knowledge in our daily actions, choices and way of interacting with the world. Conversely, low self-esteem cripples the ability to "make waves" on behalf of what we know is right and truthful for ourselves. In extreme cases, it hides what the individual wants. In striving to achieve emotional security, acceptance and a sense of belonging, people who don't think well of themselves violate their own life and its directives in favor of the wishes and expectations of others.
WT crushes self-esteem for their exploitative purpose.