Posts by HowTheBibleWasCreated

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Colossians and The Gospel of Thomas - a work in progress

by Doug Mason in

as i prepare the pre-draft stage of my study into the evolutions of salvation, i have drafted a chapter on colossians and on the gospel of thomas.

http://www.jwstudies.com/colossians_soteriologies.pdf.

http://www.jwstudies.com/the_soteriology_of_thomas.pdf.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I believe Colossians and Ephesians were written by Marcion and the 8 other epistles by Cerdo.

As for Thomas I find it insanly funny however... seriously it is a 2nd centery oral gospel like Q

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The Son of God? An Atheists view please.

by Miss Worldly in

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please bare with me on this.. firstly, i do not intend to cause offence to anyone.

i apologise if what i am saying is blasphemous to some.

i appreciate your views and mine may differ.

There is no evidence for Jesus and in fact there is some evidence he didn't exist. The main historian (Philo) of Jesus time was sitting with Herod on the Passover when Jesus came into the room and then was taken back to Pilate. Even if Jesus was a simple prophet he would have been mentioned by Philo, The idea of the Logos battling Satan and defeating death was already a concept in Judaism at the time.

The two famous mentions in Jospehus are 1. An interpolation (As earlier texts omit it) and 2. Not the same Jesus (High priest int he 60s)

Tacatis mention is too late and is using christian legends.

As for the TORAH (Not Thorah) It and other 'historical' books of the OT were likely written in the 3rd and 2nd century BCE taking material from Plato, Borosus, Manetho, Homer, Herodotus and previous legends.

The most accurate of these works is the book of Kings and even this distorts history by making Jeho Israelite (he was Syrian according to the Tel Dan Stele) and making Hezekiah a hero when he was a coward etc.

Works like the prophets Amos, Hosea, Isiah etc contain cores of early prophetic sayings but have been edited by later propagandists.

Psalms, Proverbs etc are scattered all through history. Ex. Psalm 45 is about Ahab and Jezebel. Psalm 110 is likely about Cyrus. Psalm 30 is likely from theyear 164 CE when the temple was redicated etc

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Christianity (Including JWs) Debunked

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

1 cor.

15: 21,22 rnwt: for since death came through a man,+ resurrection of the dead also comes through a man.+ 22 for just as in adam all are dying,+ so also in the christ all will be made alive.. .

so according to the nt jesus makes alive those that die in adam.. given the overwhelming evidence that adam as a man did not exist jws lose the battle on this verse.. however foolish christians like pentecostals and catholics like to call adam figurative.. okay... read it again^^^^^^... .

HowTheBibleWasCreated

1 Cor. 15: 21,22 RNWT: For since death came through a man,+ resurrection of the dead also comes through a man.+ 22 For just as in Adam all are dying,+ so also in the Christ all will be made alive.

So according to the NT Jesus makes alive those that die in Adam.

Given the overwhelming evidence that Adam as a man did not exist JWs lose the battle on this verse.

However foolish Christians like Pentecostals and Catholics like to call Adam figurative.

Okay... read it again^^^^^^...

Now add verse 45: The first man Adam became a living person.”*+ The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Fail....

And even if you could claim Adam is symbolic that would make Genesis 5, 10,11 of genealogies useless.... Thus Matthew 1 and Luke 3 become useless.

There is no way out of this.

I do not even need to debunk Jesus to destroy Christianity even liberal Christianity.

JW doctrine as I was taught fell through for me when I discovered evolution was true and archaeology debunked most of the OT. But the worst thing I see is a person that knows JW religion is wrong and jumps in bed with another religion that is christian. Just read the NT and see that even Jesus is said to quote Genesis 1: 27 and 2:24 in the same sentence.

I hope this helps

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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?

by kpop in

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alone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.

after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.

" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .

HowTheBibleWasCreated

To answer the original question.... Once I found out that YHWH was just another good and the bible jewish propaganda I realized I would die and their would be no resurrection..... It was shocking, cruel and disturbing for over 5 years.... Now however although i am not fully over it I have found comfort in two things...

1. The particles in our body are in a state of flux... if the multiverse theory is true (and it looks likely) then although i die here I may no die somewhere else that same day...

2. The goal of humanity as far as I can see is to leave a the world a slightly better place then how you found it... not hard and the fact that you are asking the question ou have in this topic shows you are capable of that.

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Jesus in the old testament

by Steel in

about two years ago i was challenged by a householder to do the research on the subject.

of course thinking it was all bunk i decided to take a look off the reservation.

much to my surprise a lot of started to make sense and i started to understand the connections between the old and new testament .

HowTheBibleWasCreated

So far as Ive been told in ther 80s and 90s JW always taught Jesus was in Genesis 18, 32, (As 'the angel representing Jehovah and fighting Jacob. Exodus 3, 23 (As the angel in the bush and the one whsose name Jehovah was in. Numbers 22 was speculated as to wether Jesus was the one stopping Balaam. Joshua 5 was Jesus in every occurance I remember when this was talked about. Judges 6 and 13 were speculated but never confirmed as far as I know. I do know an elder once said that Jesus was the angel in Hezkiahs time who killed 185000 Assyrians.

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Beards

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i have a beard.

i spend a month on vacation with no worry from the congregation overseas of course.

i grew a full beard now and with glasses i finally have posted my picture on facebook og me... next to half life 2 cover showing i look like gordan freeman lol.

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Crazyguy: I go for the sake of my wife. The elders are still trying to find 'answers to my questions'.

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Beards

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i have a beard.

i spend a month on vacation with no worry from the congregation overseas of course.

i grew a full beard now and with glasses i finally have posted my picture on facebook og me... next to half life 2 cover showing i look like gordan freeman lol.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I'm still being chased by the school overseer for bible readings so no problem after last weeks wt. ( I only attend maybe 1/3 meetings. Reported no time last month by putting 0 on the time report. Another guy with a recent beard gave a reading last week.

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WT “Study” for 11th Sept 2016 – “Why Must We ‘Keep on the Watch’”?

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

i was really puzzled when i opened this edition of the wt magazine at the above “study”.

what on earth has this picture at the top of page 13 got to do with christian watchfulness?

i wasn’t making a connection at all.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Did anyone notice the change in frowning on beards is over... a wt study article is opening it up in december (thats how elders here have already commented amoung themselves) and the is picture confirms... notice the black guy in the foreground

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Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

by shadow in

evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

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It's called hair... look at your arms, legs, head etc.

Humans ancestors likely went through a near aquatic phase about 2-3 million years ago.

We have streamlined hair, descended lyrax, voluntary breathing, extra fat etc

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The Governing Body vs. Jesus Christ

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i have stated an will restate my views and understanding of ex jws.... it's simple:.

follow you reason... where does facts/science/ lead you.

in the 80/90-/00s i thought jw had the truth based on science from the blue book,,,.

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Crazyguy:

A few months ago I went to an elder I knew well and told him: 'I have doubts.."

I explained things from an agnostic perspective that evolution explains our origins will certainty and I could find no proof for the bible's claims.

He of course was disturbed but said when a more knowledgeable elder could be find they would help restore my faith.... so far none have... The only thing he has suggested is to watch JW broadcasting of 'Origins of Life'... I have.... I find those 'scientists' disturbing ....