Posts by HowTheBibleWasCreated

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When did the Iron Age start according to the Bible? You'll be surprised!

by Crazyguy in

read this over at reddit so the credit goes to the person over there but in genesis 4:22 it's say one of the offspring of adam knew how to work with iron roughly 130 years after the creation of man.

now historians and scientists say man didn't figure out how to use iron until about 1100 bc, man we're we wrong!

it's also interesting that cain is building a city when there like 10 people on the planet and nimrod goes on to build the tower of babel only about 100 year after the flood.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

1 Samuel 13 (end of the chapter) tells us the Philistines had iron tools and the Israelite had none.. this is closer to reality........

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Helping someone to wake up to "the truth about the truth"

by stuckinarut2 in

we all have loved one that we wish we could "wake up" from the society.. of course it is not wise to force them with information, as that could just cause their defences to go up and make them dig their heals in.. this reminded me of an illustration that the society actually used at a convention many years back:.

if we want someone to move out of their dilapidated, run down and dangerous house that they are sentimentally attached to, we cant just grab them and drag them out.

they will object.. but, if we build a brand-new, safe, secure attractive home right next door and allow them to see it be built, their curiosity will be sparked.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

The catch word is TRUTH.

Its ironic... Its also perfect.

Ask them to prove its the truth. If they start with doctrine to prove JWs are the true religion ask for proof the bible is true. If they start down there then move to proof for god. They will fail those two points and either give up or you will plant a seed.

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"There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

by unsure in

(for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

“there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

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Evidence of a creator... not...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1a1Ek-HD0

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Regarding Correct Understanding of Bible Prophecies Have JWs EVER Been Right?

by minimus in

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friends

i seriously doubt that any jw understanding of prophecy has ever withstood the test of time.

how can anyone trust them when they are always wrong?

?.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Yes JWs have been right.

religion is a snare and a racket!

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Why are the individuals who make up the Governing Body so deluded

by UnshackleTheChains in

surely these men must see what's going on.

if they can afford fancy pinky rings, they must have smart phones.

if they have smart phones, they must be inquisitive as to how they are perceived.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Because as GJ said at the ARC the governing body is TRYING to fulfill its role as the faithful slave (Truthful words) Also he said he COULDNT speak with Jesus.

Thus he is like every other deluded Christian and JW the difference is the GB is the figurehead in a corporation ruled by the lower committees...

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Colossians and The Gospel of Thomas - a work in progress

by Doug Mason in

as i prepare the pre-draft stage of my study into the evolutions of salvation, i have drafted a chapter on colossians and on the gospel of thomas.

http://www.jwstudies.com/colossians_soteriologies.pdf.

http://www.jwstudies.com/the_soteriology_of_thomas.pdf.

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I believe Colossians and Ephesians were written by Marcion and the 8 other epistles by Cerdo.

As for Thomas I find it insanly funny however... seriously it is a 2nd centery oral gospel like Q

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The Son of God? An Atheists view please.

by Miss Worldly in

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please bare with me on this.. firstly, i do not intend to cause offence to anyone.

i apologise if what i am saying is blasphemous to some.

i appreciate your views and mine may differ.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

There is no evidence for Jesus and in fact there is some evidence he didn't exist. The main historian (Philo) of Jesus time was sitting with Herod on the Passover when Jesus came into the room and then was taken back to Pilate. Even if Jesus was a simple prophet he would have been mentioned by Philo, The idea of the Logos battling Satan and defeating death was already a concept in Judaism at the time.

The two famous mentions in Jospehus are 1. An interpolation (As earlier texts omit it) and 2. Not the same Jesus (High priest int he 60s)

Tacatis mention is too late and is using christian legends.

As for the TORAH (Not Thorah) It and other 'historical' books of the OT were likely written in the 3rd and 2nd century BCE taking material from Plato, Borosus, Manetho, Homer, Herodotus and previous legends.

The most accurate of these works is the book of Kings and even this distorts history by making Jeho Israelite (he was Syrian according to the Tel Dan Stele) and making Hezekiah a hero when he was a coward etc.

Works like the prophets Amos, Hosea, Isiah etc contain cores of early prophetic sayings but have been edited by later propagandists.

Psalms, Proverbs etc are scattered all through history. Ex. Psalm 45 is about Ahab and Jezebel. Psalm 110 is likely about Cyrus. Psalm 30 is likely from theyear 164 CE when the temple was redicated etc

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Christianity (Including JWs) Debunked

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

1 cor.

15: 21,22 rnwt: for since death came through a man,+ resurrection of the dead also comes through a man.+ 22 for just as in adam all are dying,+ so also in the christ all will be made alive.. .

so according to the nt jesus makes alive those that die in adam.. given the overwhelming evidence that adam as a man did not exist jws lose the battle on this verse.. however foolish christians like pentecostals and catholics like to call adam figurative.. okay... read it again^^^^^^... .

HowTheBibleWasCreated

1 Cor. 15: 21,22 RNWT: For since death came through a man,+ resurrection of the dead also comes through a man.+ 22 For just as in Adam all are dying,+ so also in the Christ all will be made alive.

So according to the NT Jesus makes alive those that die in Adam.

Given the overwhelming evidence that Adam as a man did not exist JWs lose the battle on this verse.

However foolish Christians like Pentecostals and Catholics like to call Adam figurative.

Okay... read it again^^^^^^...

Now add verse 45: The first man Adam became a living person.”*+ The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Fail....

And even if you could claim Adam is symbolic that would make Genesis 5, 10,11 of genealogies useless.... Thus Matthew 1 and Luke 3 become useless.

There is no way out of this.

I do not even need to debunk Jesus to destroy Christianity even liberal Christianity.

JW doctrine as I was taught fell through for me when I discovered evolution was true and archaeology debunked most of the OT. But the worst thing I see is a person that knows JW religion is wrong and jumps in bed with another religion that is christian. Just read the NT and see that even Jesus is said to quote Genesis 1: 27 and 2:24 in the same sentence.

I hope this helps

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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?

by kpop in

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alone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.

after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.

" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .

HowTheBibleWasCreated

To answer the original question.... Once I found out that YHWH was just another good and the bible jewish propaganda I realized I would die and their would be no resurrection..... It was shocking, cruel and disturbing for over 5 years.... Now however although i am not fully over it I have found comfort in two things...

1. The particles in our body are in a state of flux... if the multiverse theory is true (and it looks likely) then although i die here I may no die somewhere else that same day...

2. The goal of humanity as far as I can see is to leave a the world a slightly better place then how you found it... not hard and the fact that you are asking the question ou have in this topic shows you are capable of that.

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Jesus in the old testament

by Steel in

about two years ago i was challenged by a householder to do the research on the subject.

of course thinking it was all bunk i decided to take a look off the reservation.

much to my surprise a lot of started to make sense and i started to understand the connections between the old and new testament .

HowTheBibleWasCreated

So far as Ive been told in ther 80s and 90s JW always taught Jesus was in Genesis 18, 32, (As 'the angel representing Jehovah and fighting Jacob. Exodus 3, 23 (As the angel in the bush and the one whsose name Jehovah was in. Numbers 22 was speculated as to wether Jesus was the one stopping Balaam. Joshua 5 was Jesus in every occurance I remember when this was talked about. Judges 6 and 13 were speculated but never confirmed as far as I know. I do know an elder once said that Jesus was the angel in Hezkiahs time who killed 185000 Assyrians.