Posts by HowTheBibleWasCreated

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Serious bible students questions about the bible

by TTWSYF in

many jws (and others) are serious about their biblical studies, but don't ask the right questions.

in basic journalism one learns to ask the right questions which in my years here, i've never hear asked.. who, what, where, by what help, by whose help, why, how and when.

these are all basic questions when researching anything that you want to write an article or paper on what ever related subject.. who wrote/created the bible?.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Disillusioned JW

Read Plato's Laws:

1. Ideal society is 12 tribes

2. Set a foundation story of conquest or colonization

3. Gives laws as if they come from a divine being (Plato was a monotheist)

The creation story in Genesis 2 is paralleled in Symposium and Timaeus.

As for Iliad David's story is paralleled closely. Note the story in 1 Samuel 17 with Goliath.

The stories of Noah's drunkenness' and the three angels visiting abraham are taken right out of Baucis and Philemon.

As for Jephthah and his daughter and the closely related Abraham and Isaac binding story. These are taken from Agamemnon and Iphigeneia

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Serious bible students questions about the bible

by TTWSYF in

many jws (and others) are serious about their biblical studies, but don't ask the right questions.

in basic journalism one learns to ask the right questions which in my years here, i've never hear asked.. who, what, where, by what help, by whose help, why, how and when.

these are all basic questions when researching anything that you want to write an article or paper on what ever related subject.. who wrote/created the bible?.

Overated I actually take offense at that as an atheist. I think the bible writers were using plato and other works etc and were learned priests not simple illiterate sheep herders. They weren't on drugs the stories they told are based on the same stories in Iliad etc. lol You wouldn't take offense at the bible if you saw the same material in greek or Babylonian works

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Serious bible students questions about the bible

by TTWSYF in

many jws (and others) are serious about their biblical studies, but don't ask the right questions.

in basic journalism one learns to ask the right questions which in my years here, i've never hear asked.. who, what, where, by what help, by whose help, why, how and when.

these are all basic questions when researching anything that you want to write an article or paper on what ever related subject.. who wrote/created the bible?.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Let me answer some of these questions:

Who wrote/created the bible? Priests, rulers, philosophers with the OT being written in the 3rd and 2nd centuries BCE and the NT mostly in the second century CE

What is the bible? A vast collection of literature. whose canon is still undecided.

Why are there only 66 books in the bible (why not more or less)? The Catholics have more the Ethiopian Orthodox have alot more. The Jewish bibles have alot less.,

How were the scriptures used in Christ Jesus's time? I doubt he existed. However in the 30s most of the OT was written (I doubt Esther was until the 50s,60s) and according to Josephus there were four different Jewish religions ranging from the Pharisees who were Zoroastrian Jews, The Sadducees who were Hellenistic Jews and the Essenes who were Gnostic Jews. The fourth group was simply Jewish Terrorists attacking Romans on the streets (Zealots)

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Which English Translations of the Bible are you Favorites, and Why?

by Disillusioned JW in

which english translations of the bible are you favorites, and why?

my favorites include the (english) revised version bible (of 1881-1885) and its apocrypha (of 1898), the american revised version bible (of 1898, it close to the american standard version), the american standard version bible (of 1901), the new american standard bible - updated edition, the new revised standard version bible with the apocrypha, the complete bible: an american translation (it includes the apocrypha), and the twentieth century new testament.

i also use others beside those.. they are my favorites because i consider them to be highly accurate, and also they are either very literal (but not so literal as to be hard to understand) or they use functional equivalence.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I have a few.

1. The NASB for literal reading.

2. The WEB for being copyright free, modern English, and using Yahweh.

3. The NWT 1984 with references for the references plus my familiarity with the text.

4. The JPS 1985 Study bible for the OT

5. The RSV often for the NT.

Edit: for the Apocrypha I use the Oxford Study Bible Revised English Edition.

And finally, I would hold the KJV for it's literary qualities.

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What are your personal reasons for hating the Jehovah's Witnesses religion ?

by Rocketman123 in

first thing comes to mind is that this organization through its leaders are not witnessing the true and honest version of the gospel teachings of jesus christ .. they are subjectively teaching/preaching a tainted version made up by the top controlling men of the organization, which i'm sure is connected to the proliferation and distribution of literature which these men publish themselves.

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when jesus said that no one knows of the time not even he, he didn't say a select few will know .. the other thing that bothers me is this organization promotes human ignorance on many levels, admonishing education or knowledge that mankind needs for its very survival... there are many other religious organizations that do this as well but the jws is just one of these organizations.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Childhood indoctrination (higher education too) Suppression of science, Shunning, Blolod etc.

Having watched all of Friday's convention I would add lies lies lies about science.

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The Emphasized Bible - Now included in WT LIbrary

by Wonderment in

the emphasized bible (rotherham) is now included in the wt library under "other bibles.".

therefore it joins kit, kjv, asv, & the bible in living english in such group.. any thoughts?.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I think they published this version in the past. The fact that it includes the divine name as Yahweh is a plus but it still uses old language.. a minus.

I glanced through it. It is really almost the same as the bible in living English I suspect it will be on JW library app soon under translations. As for Johannes Greber sure I could see that people make a big thing out of his religious views but who cares. The WT did not produce the KJV, ASV, etc. Who cares what he believed. if the translation is within acceptable standards it's fine., Even the NWT fits nowadays in modern critical biblical study.

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Converted Greek Philosopher Explains Christianity in 125 AD

by Sea Breeze in

i ran across a pretty early treatise.

we were all taught that "real" christianity was lost to history and was only restored once russell and then rutherford restored it so that the wt could be appointed as god's "mouthpiece".

but, aristides wrote to the emperor hadrian and gave a pretty good synopsis of core christian belief in 125 ad.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Ignatius letters are late and fake.

As for the original post. The gospel I would say is the gospel of peter, thomas or marcion. The expression 'clothed himself in flesh' matches peter best

I would say however that you are right Jesus was originally thought of as divine by SOME CHRISTIANS. Others saw him as cosmic (Hebrews, Revelation) or an angel like being. (Ascension of Isaiah)

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God vs ET`s ,why is one more probable than the other ?

by smiddy3 in

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billions of people around the world beleive in a god of some sort or other who exerts some power or influence to some degree or other in lifes affairs .. i don`t think there would be anywhere near that figure that would entertain the possability of extra terrestial life elsewhere in the universe.. and i find that curious .. the ancients didn`t know that their were other humans on other continents on this planet until they ventured out and found them .. we live somewhere in the milky way galaxy with millions of suns and planets that orbit them.. our galaxy is only one of trillions if not zillions of galaxys in the known universe.. look at the diversity of life on just this one planet earth ,what possabilitys could exist elsewhere ?

on alien worastronomers can use the hubble space telescope to view galaxies near the edge of the observable universe (the region of space from which light has had a chance to reach us within the last 13.77 billion years).

by examining a very tiny portion of the sky, counting up the number of visible galaxies in the universe in that specific region, and then multiplying that number to account for all the regions of the sky, astronomers estimate the number of galaxies in the universe.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Life evolves from the bottom up not the top down. I think you can understand from that one sentence the ideas of gods and aliens are two different sides. One is probable the other is improbable.

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Governing Body; Villians or just Deluded?

by pistolpete in

are you sometimes dumbfounded at the direction the governing body takes?.

thousands of documents proving 607 bce is wrong, yet the gb sticks to the date, why?.

the generation that would not die, yet they continue by introducing an overlapping generation.. disfellowshipping at a time when everyone is leaving, not a good idea, yet they continue to disfellowship.. here is a video that addresses these questions.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbgeqhp9o9i.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I'm not sure all are deluded. Take Anthony Morris II he has a life story in the WT were he plainly expressed hope ion the paradise earth.,... uh aren't you anointed?

Mark Sanderson held up a replica of the Isaiah Scroll when talking about the Revised New World Translation. There are three marks on the Isaiah Scrolls indicating the disunity of the book of Isaiah.

Geoffroy Jackson said he couldn't talk a to Jesus. He also said the governing body were 'trying to fulfill the role of the faithful and discreet slave' and to assume they were the only ones would be presumptuous.

Sorry these guys are all power hungry or self-deluded.

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The three wise men

by Simon in

just a thought.... looking through the greatest man book, something just occurred to me which i can't recall has ever been highlighted (but please correct me).. i always thought it a bit strange that jehovah allowed the three pagan astrologers to find jesus especially as they were obviously guided to him by satan's star (remember they were led to herod first who wanted to kill the messiah).

what purpose did it serve?.

well, a few pages earlier in tgm book, we see mary presenting a dove as a sin offering at the temple - this was the cheapest offering that was acceptable which must have meant that they were pretty poor at the time.. shortly after the three wise men visited the family had to flee to egypt when herod started to kill all the young boys in an attempt to kill jesus.. what would they need to travel and live as exiles for a couple of years?.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I would add that Matthew might have borrowed this from Numbers 23 from Balaam's star prophecy.