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constantine, this is the one man that made christianity the official religion rome thus masking the beliefs of people until the reformation a literal hell.. oh yes mohamed knew his teaching later.. when you say 'god' as if other people are supposed to be impressed you owe that to constantine.

not a mythical figure named jesus, .

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You are correct. Thanks for bringing this up. We can replace every mention of Constantine with Theodosius in the OP.

I suspect with the Holy Roman empire and later the Crusades started the lockdown on other religions was much tighter.

The Dark Ages continues where I leave off my book so I have not researched these centuries. However I can see now a read of Will Durant's -Age of Faith is in order.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

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schooler I refrained from this posy but it's time for me to enter are you sure yo want to hear me out. I'm a biblical minimalist. Daniel has ZERO basis in the six century bce live with it. That's\ blunt that's me

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Constantine

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

the fact that the majority of the world jumps when you say 'god' is traced back to one guy.

constantine, this is the one man that made christianity the official religion rome thus masking the beliefs of people until the reformation a literal hell.. oh yes mohamed knew his teaching later.. when you say 'god' as if other people are supposed to be impressed you owe that to constantine.

not a mythical figure named jesus, .

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The fact that the majority of the world jumps when you say 'god' is traced back to one guy. Constantine, This is the one man that made Christianity the official religion Rome thus masking the beliefs of people until the reformation a literal hell.

Oh yes Mohamed knew his teaching later.

When you say 'god' as if other people are supposed to be impressed you owe that to Constantine. Not a mythical figure named Jesus,

JWs split off from other groups later but even so-called born -again re mixing late theologies. that Constantine merged. Yes Pulane theology existed as did Jewish and both merged by the late second century,. But what a sick idea emerged blood atonement!

I am currently still in the Hebrew bible for my book but keep looking ahead with horror at how I can presen t the first 3 centuries of Christianity.

Remember Russel's 1914 was not unique. He was a duped fool too.

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The tradition of the parents

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i grew up and still live in sw canada adjacent o the pacific northwest.

this means i had little experience with harsh winters or tornados etc.

just rainy winters and sunny summers.. now n the 90s when i was a teen i of course wanted independence like all teens.

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I grew up and still live in SW Canada adjacent o the Pacific Northwest. This means I had little experience with harsh winters or tornados etc. Just rainy winters and sunny summers.

Now n the 90s when I was a teen I of course wanted independence like all teens. But my parents were sneaky. See when I was a child they NEVER exposed me to music other then kingdom songs or Raffi (Look him up... i met him) Since at 15-16 I was into electronics and cb radios I developed a conservatives façade that persisted until abbot 30. See I wanted a wife. and a sister from the Philippines was in my hall and.. well.. search my previous posts... lol

But around this same time as I was married I realized how I was lied to was exposed. how do I deal? At first I thought I could stay a JW even as a non belier.. nope.. It made me so so angry to sit at the hall.So I came clean to my wife slowly... and even elders in a passive wa.s Now i''m PIMO but thanks to covid I'm mostly out.i-*

Hey Ex Ws stop F**king around and start moving! Covid is here!) Yes I revealed to non jw workmates I was a non jw but not to push Christmas crap with me cause its digesting!

My workmates which number 3 lol... (I work at night then in afternoon on my book) used to think I was timid fool.. but once I explained I was and EXJW they changed to a respectful mode .Yes in fact I'm now thanks to my revelation considered by warmates a strong person even by Christians at work.

The point of this is that our parents screwed mnay of us up. For some of them it's WAR!

But for most like me it's peace.. let 'pull people out of the fire" -Jude

I'm more fro being a spy and going in wit guns loaded. (not literally.. for the fools)

Imsagine when one man goes for Judicial meeting and five other follow him to bear witness.. what can the elders do.. shut it down?? what if one records ht proceedings? see??

I'm saying I'm F**king glad to be in the 21st century! We own brooklyn. And that is the reason i refuse to debate more then one or two post with fundies, on here.,

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Ah, Jonah. 3 day air supply explained ?Whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding

by waton in

here from new scientist magazine: .

whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding.

life 12 may 2021by christa lesté-lasserre.

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I'm an atheist all on here know that and most know I'm a minimalist in biblical research. But in regards to Jesus quoting Jonah. if we assume the texts are true Jesus quotes the Jonah story saying Jonah was in the whale's belly three days and three nights and also here is where NT Christians have an issue, The prophecy in Jonah is in chapter 2 describing Jonah gong to Sheol in effect. Thus many Christians today say Jesus went to hell and suffered Jonah chapter 2. And of course Jonah three days in the whale become three days in hades.

I'm posting this without any atheist background.. the above is what many Christian believe^^^

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Ah, Jonah. 3 day air supply explained ?Whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding

by waton in

here from new scientist magazine: .

whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding.

life 12 may 2021by christa lesté-lasserre.

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Actually the text says YHWH prepared the whale specifically for Jonah to be swallowed. But for the unbelievable part read chapter 2 which Jesus seems to reference in the gospels. It's a Prayer that Jonah wrote down while inside a whales belly. apparently he 'saw' somehow the bottoms of the mountains.

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On the Deuteronomist history (And the majority of the prophets) A shocking discovery this morning

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every now and then i come ac ross a person in ancient times that blows my mind.

for instance at one time i agreed with many that in 175bce antiochus place a statute of zeus in the temple and nothing was there before.

but lo and behold several sources from then claim that before zeus was an idol of set-typhon in the temple (synchronism) it was really judas maccabee and his family that were the original 'deuteronomists' (not josiah).

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Disillusioned there are a few areas. David is of course Saul's son-in-law in the current narratives. However David has three introductions.

1 Samuel 16 that you quoted I feel is late and Deuteronomist having Samuel anoint David among his brothers as one of Jesse' sons.

There are two more 1 Samuel 17.has two narratives and both are amusing:

1 Samuel 17:12-15 seems to state the obvious but watch my highlighting>>...Now David was the son of that Ephrathite of Bethlehem Judah, whose name was Jesse; and he had eight sons. The man was an elderly old man in the days of Saul. 13 The three oldest sons of Jesse had gone after Saul to the battle; and the names of his three sons who went to the battle were Eliab the firstborn, and next to him Abinadab, and the third Shammah. 14 David was the youngest; and the three oldest followed Saul. 15 Now David went back and forth from Saul to feed his father’s sheep at Bethlehem.- WEB

The texts twice repeats the three sons and introduces Jesse into the narrative as a side note. ;The original likely only had the bold. (My theory)

I need to mention that verse 12-31 are not original to the LXX translation. Even the NWT 1984 reference bible has a footnote.

Not after verse 31 David and Saul are in an argument and the if we removed David's Greek tale of slaying lions the text seems to indicate David and Saul have a close relationship. This whole next several verses contradict chapter 16 where the Deuteronomist says David is a man of war. and an armor bearer Here he is a child who has never used armor.

Note however the third introduction to David by the idiot trying to merge the accounts in verse 54-58 in the World English Bible with my italics

David took the head of the Philistine and brought it to Jerusalem, but he put his armor in his tent.

(What a fool to add this verse^^^ David would not conquer Jerusalem for awhile)

55 When Saul saw David go out against the Philistine, he said to Abner, the captain of the army, “Abner, whose son is this youth?”

(If we assume the Deuteronomist is thrusting David into a pervious story then this makes sense. But in this narrative it become laughable and Saul in need of medical help.)

Abner said, “As your soul lives, O king, I can’t tell.”

56 The king said, “Inquire whose son the young man is!”

57 As David returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, Abner took him and brought him before Saul with the head of the Philistine in his hand.

(That was a worthless journey to Jerusalem with a rotting head uphill and a downhill hike back to Saul. This is so forced onto the account it ludicrous.)

58 Saul said to him, “Whose son are you, you young man?”

David answered, “I am the son of your servant Jesse the Bethlehemite.”

(Duh!)

As for a direct reference the problem is that 1 Samuel 18 continues this narrative however there is a massive doublet later with David sparing Saul's life twice. The oldest one says:

It came to pass, when David had finished speaking these words to Saul, that Saul said, “Is that your voice, my son David?” Saul lifted up his voice, and wept. -1 Samuel 24:16 WEB

The other version uses the previous thus at 1 Samuel 26:17-

17 Saul recognized David’s voice, and said, “Is this your voice, my son David?”

There is obviously a text that has been reworked and in some versions like the latter copies of the Septuagint even removed a large chunk of the David and Goliath story to harmonize things.

So the original question in the original J story (Yahwist) was David Saul's son. The answer is simple. I have no clue! LOL. Actually I am still researching this but I find the three introductions to David and Jesse very intrusive and will be following that lead eventually.