Posts by OneEyedJoe

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Awake January 2015: How did life begin? - More misquotes

by Designer Stubble in

[quote]some might assume that a scientifically-minded person would pick evolution and that a religious person would pick creation.

but not always.. rama singh, professor of biology at canadas mcmaster university, says: the opposition to evolution goes beyond religious fundamentalism and includes a great many people from educated sections of the population.[/quote].

end-of-quote in awake.

OneEyedJoe

So he saw no proof that life arose spontaneously...how interesting. I suppose he expected to be out in the forest with his magnifying glass and witness a mushrooom turn into a spider and when that never happened, well obviously there's a designer with a capital D out there. Good lord.

The ironic thing is that his assessment "I saw no proof that life arose spontaneously from nonliving matter" is actually a pretty good summation of the argument for evolution! Isn't it the bible that asserts that life (adam) arose spontaneously from nonliving matter (dirt)? The evidence is pretty strong that a very simple form of "life" (that we might not even call life where we to see it today) arose gradually from observed chemical processes that occurr when energy is pumped into an environment similar to primordial earth. I hardly think that something that took 500 million years (after the end of the late heavy bombardment) could be considered as happening "spontaneously." The subsequent 3 Billion or so years of evolution that it took to get us to our current level of biodiversity and complexity is even less spontaneous. The only one that asserts that life arose spontaneously is the creationist saying that god just did it one day.

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Awake January 2015: How did life begin? - More misquotes

by Designer Stubble in

[quote]some might assume that a scientifically-minded person would pick evolution and that a religious person would pick creation.

but not always.. rama singh, professor of biology at canadas mcmaster university, says: the opposition to evolution goes beyond religious fundamentalism and includes a great many people from educated sections of the population.[/quote].

end-of-quote in awake.

OneEyedJoe

I want to show EVERY witness I know...but how can I do that without revealing how I found out the truthful info???

Stuckinarut -

Here's what you say - you're interested in scientific topics but when you watch TV shows or read articles or whatever about biology, they always push their atheist agenda and act like evolution is a proven fact. So when you saw this article, you excitedly read it but it was too brief for you. The quotes from respected scientific literature that they included piqued your interest so you did a quick google search in a desire to hear more about how evolution is false from these scientists. What you found, though deeply disturbed (or stumbled) you....then show the quotes in their source.

Depending on how in-depth you want to get, you can then direct them to:

Job 13:7-11 - in these verses being deceptive, even if it's in defense of god, is condemned

2011 yearbook p13 - this is taken from jwfacts' article on misquotes/deception/lies and is a quote that explains how much effort the writing department puts into presenting only accurate material

2001 Yearbook p80 - this is an article in which the WTS specifically condemns quoting out of context when it's used against them (hypocrite much?)

w03 1/1 p27 - another specific condemnation of quoting out of context, even associates the practice with Satan.

w11 2/15 p19 - again, a condemnation of quoting out of context (you might want to avoid this one, though, since they claim that apostates quote out of context, and when you're challenging the WTS it might not be a good idea to bring up the topic of apostates)

This is what I plan to do with my wife, and possibly father-in-law. It's easily plausible that you found this information on your own with no help from apostates.

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Finally Free!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

my wife and i are finally free of this horrible cult we will be leaving the south east for the north western part of the us to start anew!!!

our friends and family have no idea of our new beliefs and feelings on the cult so it should be a nice clean break!

hope to connect with some in that area pm me if you'd like.. .

OneEyedJoe

Congrats!!!

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new assembly experience... what do you reckon to this one?

by purrpurr in

ok so aparently there was this young girl who wanted to study with the jw's because she loved the bible so much.

she asked her fathers permission but he refused, after much nagging though he said she could have a study if she was prepared to have one of her fingers chopped off.

he thought the is would stop her but she was willing so he got a knife and cut off one of her fingers... a little while later she wanted to attend the meetings and he said no and again when nagged said she could attend meetings if she had another finger chopped off so she agreed and he chopped off a second finger.

OneEyedJoe

Did anyone at the assembly call the police and report the father for child abuse?

Why didn't the person who was studying with her call the police after the loss of the first finger? Surely that would've been the 'loving' thing to do! This is clearly a load of bull.

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Apostates are more all knowing than GOD?

by Maat13 in

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if "apostates" can predict what jw.org will do (i.e., doctrinal changes, business practices, etc), but jw.org gb is led by god's holy spirit, then yes.

apostates are more all knowing than god.

random thought of the day...i'm sure it's not original.. maat.

OneEyedJoe

I'd like to think I'm more all-knowing than someone's imaginary friend.

But yeah, it's pretty rediculous when you consider (as was mentioned in another thread that recently got bumped) that people can be booted out of the cult for having a better knowledge of "truth" than the official doctrine, then official doctrine eventually changes. And no one thinks "why have I been shunning this guy for years, when he was kicked out for essentially being more 'spiritual' than the GB?"

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What is LOVE?

by new hope and happiness in

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OneEyedJoe

Don't hurt me...no more...

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who now has this stuck in their head. Than's alot NHAH!

There are a few different types of love, but they're all just biochemical and neurological effects that were developed over the 3.5 billion years of evolution. Species (typically social mamals) that developed chemical responses that lead them to take care of their offspring, protect other members of the group, etc. are all more likely to survive as a group. Even if love drives someone to protect a member of the group that is not their direct decendent, they're still protecting a possessor of the genetic makeup that predisposes a person to love (in most cases, anyway) so this genetic predispostion made members of the group more likely to survive to pass on their genes.

Love, and indeed all emotion, is a distortion of your thought that is "designed" by evolution to cause you to behave in a manner that is more likely to cause your genetic makeup to survive indefinitely.

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Awake January 2015: How did life begin? - More misquotes

by Designer Stubble in

[quote]some might assume that a scientifically-minded person would pick evolution and that a religious person would pick creation.

but not always.. rama singh, professor of biology at canadas mcmaster university, says: the opposition to evolution goes beyond religious fundamentalism and includes a great many people from educated sections of the population.[/quote].

end-of-quote in awake.

OneEyedJoe

Nice. Thanks for the follow-up.

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Using the "C-Word" With My Wife

by breakfast of champions in

months ago, i commented on another thread about a strategy i was using to introduce my wife to the way cults work--without using the word "cult" and scaring her away.

here's my first comment on that thread:.

i pulled hassan's bite model off the internet and imported it into my word processor.

OneEyedJoe

For those looking for the list he used, it looks like he posted it in the original thread that he linked to in the OP.

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THE CULT STRIKES AGAIN!!!

by DATA-DOG in

it's amazing what you perceive, once you know ttatt.

today's wt mind-control session was an amazing example of cult mind control techniques in action!!

the program was about hearing jeehoobies voice!

OneEyedJoe

Sounds like I picked a good one to skip (as if that's hard to do). I just wish my wife wasn't there listening to that crap.

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Using the "C-Word" With My Wife

by breakfast of champions in

months ago, i commented on another thread about a strategy i was using to introduce my wife to the way cults work--without using the word "cult" and scaring her away.

here's my first comment on that thread:.

i pulled hassan's bite model off the internet and imported it into my word processor.

OneEyedJoe

BOC - Well done and good luck with your continued progress. Are you still attending the meetings as often as she is or have you stopped going? If so, had you stopped going when you showed her the BITE list? I'm starting to wonder if my continued attendence will help me reach my wife or if it's only serving to drive me insane.

Take care not to mix-up your "L"s with your "N"s

Yeah, when i saw the thread title, I saw this thread going in an entirely different direction.

I'm glad your wife is intelligent enough to allow stimulating conversations to take place. Mine is not. That is why I must have intellectual affairs.

I know that sounds mean, but..... Perhaps I should say that her emotions override her intelligence. It's a cult after all, and they are good at manipulating emotions.

We might be married to the same woman. The value of the meetings to my wife seems to be entirely about chatting with friends before/after meetings, and avoiding the intrinsic guilt associated with skipping. I don't know how to get past that...her parents did a mighty fine job of instilling the whole "bad association" crap in her, so sometimes merely talking to nice (usually older) folks that we run into in a bar for a half hour usually results in her making some comment about how we shouldn't be around worldly people (even though she genuinely enjoys herself in the moment). So I need to get her more exposure to the real world, but I fear her indoctrination is so strong that she'll never break away.

Anyway, I don't mean to derail the thread. Congrats to BOC, even if it takes you a while to be fully out, I'm sure it feels amazing just to be making steady progress...wish I knew how that felt.