They do not, primarily because there is no scriptural evidence. The concept of the trinity was conceived well after the new testament was written. In my mind the trinity was invented essentially to resolve many of the confusing mismatches between the gospels, the christian writings and the old testament. JWs tend to resolve these conflicts in other ways, usually by deferring to the old testament or by rationalizing the behavior of the vindictive god of the OT and trying to cast it in a light that makes it consistent with the god of the NT.
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Watchtower
by Stephanie Twist inwhat is the watchtower?
why do kingdom halls think it is important to go over a session during the services?
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OneEyedJoe
It's a magazine published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the corporation that heads the JW organization. They feel that it's important to study because the cult says so. It's more complicated than that, but that's what it boils down to. -
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This morning's magazine trolley encounter..
by GodZoo inwas just out shopping and came across two middle aged female witnesses with their magazine trolley..
i approached them and they were all glee and smiles and ready to hand me a couple of magazines.
one moment ladies i have just a couple of questions..
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tornapart - Yes it hurts to learn TTATT. But the JW religion is like a splinter. The longer you wait to cut it out, the more painful taking it out is...if the splinter has been there for long it will surely be infected, swollen and extremely sensitive. But everyone knows that the short-term pain is worthwhile to not have to live your life with a dull ache in your thumb in perpetuity. Soon the memory of the pain will fade and you'll be able to live your life free and on your own terms. -
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Your Religion Is Dispicable
by freemindfade inhttp://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region/world/jehovahs-witnesses-in-prison-2/.
the witnesses make reference to article 18 of the international covenant on civil and political rights, in reference to their not being able to practice their religion in certain places.
how despicable when (in my mind) their policy of disfellowshipping, apostasy, etc, causes them coerce members to keep this religion.
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Was a little bored here at work so I decided to do some quick research and pull together just how hypocritical these bastards are:
From the link in the OP:
The right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion” is a fundamental human right, states Article 18 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. In some lands the exercise of this basic freedom by Jehovah’s Witnesses brings imprisonment and even cruel mistreatment. Most of those imprisoned are young men who conscientiously object to military service. Others are imprisoned merely for practicing their faith.
Maybe these ones that were imprisoned shouldn't have been insisting that they be given every lawful right.
Hmmmmm....
Young people ask, Vol 1, p36,37:
Let your reasonableness become known to all men,” recommends the Bible. (Philippians 4:5) The original word translated “reasonableness” meant “yielding” and conveyed the attitude of one who did not insist on all his lawful rights. How can you apply that counsel?
w04 9/1 p. 11,12:
When the conscience of a fellow Christian could be offended by what we do, brotherly love will move us to be considerate and restrict our choices. An example of this might be the use of alcoholic beverages. A Christian is permitted to drink wine in moderation. But if doing so might stumble his companion, he will not insist on his rights.
I wonder if failing to place proper emphasis on Jesus might stumble a "fellow" christian ("fellow" in quotes because for a JW to consider christians to be fellow christians, JWs would first have to actually be christians). If so, shouldn't they not insist on their rights to avoid such a stumbling?
g03 5/8 p. 27:
On the other hand, loyal Christians would not insist on their personal rights to the detriment of the consciences of others or at the expense of congregation unity. Nor should they claim freedom of action to do something clearly forbidden by God’s Word.
Their insistence on their right to preach their cult in areas where christianity at large is accepted certainly breaks up the unity of the existing christian congregations there. Furthermore, "they claim freedom of [religion]" when shunning family members (failure to show love is clearly forbidden in god's word) and enforcing an unscriptural blood ban (murder is also a big one in the bible, negligent or otherwise) among many other things. Why do they insist on their rights in these instances, especially when the individual conscience of JWs might move them to show love for a disfellowshipped child or to allow their child to have a blood transfusion to save their life?
Ok, obviously saying they shouldn't preach because it might offend someone is taking this a bit too far, but this does go to illustrate that not only do they tacitly ignore the rights of individual JWs by seeking retribution when they leave but they actively encourage their membership to relinquish their rights in order to better support the cult. I found these 3 examples in about 1 minute of searching and I'm certain there are dozens if not hundreds more because this bullshit about not insisting on your rights was one of the things that always bothered me, and it stuck out often at watchtower studies. This constant indoctrination dispensing with the rights of the individual is, I suspect, one of the major factors for the failure of JW families to report child abuse when they're told not to by elders. This single subtle teaching of theirs is partially responsible for a tremendous amount of human suffering. Their behavior is absolutely abhorrent on so many levels.
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Bartender - Update 3
by Garrett insorry for long delay for update.. short story shorter - walked in way too late, she walked by, didn't say hi, i didn't say hi, she left to work, i left the bar.
4 friends got into a huge fight and were kicked out.
now i'll be going there alone.. to be honest, though, i think i'm just gonna pass on relationships all together.
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Considering the number of variables in play, anyone running the odds would find it difficult to believe that anyone has ever had a successful relationship. Just because you didn't knock it out of the park on the first go isn't a reason to give up. Focus on the progress you made and use that going forward. Keep trying and when things are right it'll work out. -
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Your Religion Is Dispicable
by freemindfade inhttp://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region/world/jehovahs-witnesses-in-prison-2/.
the witnesses make reference to article 18 of the international covenant on civil and political rights, in reference to their not being able to practice their religion in certain places.
how despicable when (in my mind) their policy of disfellowshipping, apostasy, etc, causes them coerce members to keep this religion.
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In some lands the exercise of this basic freedom by Jehovah’s Witnesses brings [...] cruel mistreatment.
Hey, they're talking about us!
"In some lands" means "anywhere there are JWs that later decide they don't want to be JWs."
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So changes were made, but who cares because were so deep into the end, nothing the Organization does, really matters—does it?
by John Aquila inso i called a few jwdubs that still talk to me, not to try to convince them of anything or wake them up but to try to get a feedback on how they took the big meeting change and other announcements.
generally speaking, all the ones i talked to were not even fazed by the changes.
many of them still didnt even realize the meeting format had changed and thought the layoffs were a normal thing that happens all the time.
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In contrast, we have seen over 100 years of failed predictions, outlandish teachings, etc. What we have seen is sort of like Moses getting the Israelites backed up to the Red Sea, holding up his staff, and nothing happening, and Moses instructing the isrealites to cross the red sea anyway, insisting that it had been parted 'invisibly'. We have not been given reason to put implicit trust in the org and/or GB. In fact, we've been given ample reason not to trust.
Fixed that for you, magnum
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TV.JW.ORG - October 2015: Neighborly love is more than just Field Service
by Designer Stubble inthe october 2015 jw broadcast, hosted by gerrit losch is quite positive actually.a lot of focus on "field service" needs to be balanced with other good works - supporting those in need around you - either in the congregation (witnesses) or in your classroom or neighbors (non-witnesses).
visiting and encouraging the sick and elderly is mentioned.
jesus parable of the merciful samaritan is highlighted.
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Lip service.
My best guess is that they did it so at some later point, they will have video "evidence" (for some court case) that they encourage their adherents to be friendly to worldly scum.
This. The example that they gave of "simplifying" and doing cart witnessing says it all - they'll talk about all these great ideals of helping others (even the evil worldlies) but when they give an example of how to put this into practical use it ALWAYS has something to do with handing out magazines. They give this example of spending more time cart witnessing, or they'll give their examples of helping someone with their yard work or their car or groceries - but it's always helping people when you encounter them while out in service. In the rare case that they hold up an example of someone helping someone outside of the context of being out in service, the story still always ends with a magazine placement at the very least, but usually a study being started.
Bottom line - the WTS NEVER encourages charitable works being done unless they're simultaneously pushing recruitment.
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November 2015 Awake
by username inok. when i first looked at the cover of this issue of awake i was instantly struck on how creepy it looked.
my first impressions were the picture looked almost masonic in nature.
well, further investigation has led me to another picture that shows a grand masonic hall.
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There are so many tangible things that are wrong with this cult and their publications that it always irks me a bit when people harp on thin coincidences found in pictures in the publications like some kind of conspiracy theorist. Gives exJWs a bad rap, I think.
Pictures of kids being killed with their puppy at Armageddon are one thing, but scouring the internet to find a 'similar' picture as what was used in a publication and then claiming a connection is a big stretch to me.
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Annulment of baptism for a minor?
by Tornintwo ini've seen references to baptism annulment on a few websites, does anyone know if there has ever been a successful annulment of a baptism?.
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a minor claims they didn't understand a key wtbts teaching prior to baptism, is there any realistic chance of annulment?
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On jwfacts, I think Paul stated that his aunt was able to get an annulment. It's probably not common, and they will use any excuse they can to deny the request. If you've held any position (pioneer, MS, bethelite, etc) since your 18th birthday they'll claim that this was a reaffirmation of your dedication/baptism once you were of legal age.