so at the convention, one of the talks was about how all people will speak a single language in the new system.
my ears perked up when i heard at the outset "now, we can't be dogmatic about this" because that immediately makes me think that they're backing away from a previously dogmatic stance.
he went on to say that everyone will be speaking hebrew in the new system because "evidently" (another word that gets my ears to perk up these days) that was what was spoken before the languages were confused at bable.
Thanks for doing the heavy lifting, blondie. I guess my memory was mistaken.
It seems rediculous, but I think all the rampant speculation from the WTS does serve a purpose though - it builds up the JWs feelings of self-importance and superiority because they understand the deeper things of the bible. This makes them less likely to be swayed by (actual) biblical arguments against thier religion because anyone outside the JWs is automatically thought of as knowing less about the bible.
i am compelled to write a bit about this at this late hour here in the us, because it is keeping me up.. the recent four year old thread on the briggs myers personality type test that was dug up, produced an interesting finding.
many here, (at least tested informally for), the intj personality type.
intjs also do not understand irrational behavior particularly well at all.. why does this matter?
We all know the limitations of the "test." It's a little like the movie called "Divergent" where you have only so many categories to choose from. I ALWAYS get INTJ. It doesn't matter what version of the test I take. I am willing to accept that I may be an INTJ..IF the test is accurate and IF no new data is presented to the contrary. Much of it applies to me. Since the test is subjective, I have to refuse to be labeled as any type.
If I am an INTJ, then I wish I wasn't. It's lonely and exhausting.
You definitely sound like an INTJ. It may be lonely and exhausting, but at least you don't spend all your time being wrong, like most everyone else.
The test is definitely a sliding scale and doesn't perfectly quantify everything about a person, but it does provide something of a jumping off point that allows you to make some useful generalizations about how people think and interact.
does anyone know what was said at the recent ras about jws owning pets?
was it discouraged strongly?
hopefully jw pet owners will tell the organization to f-off!
Yeah, the talk was just like every other talk warning against something that the bible is silent on. Be careful that you don't let anything distract you even a little bit from meetings and FS! Be careful that you don't let this border on idolatry! etc etc.
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Maybe I'm not expressing myself very well. I'm definitely an INTJ. I don't litterally think I might be crazy, it's just nice to be able to relate on a different level with another human. Since INTJs are uncommon, it's rare to run across one in the wild (and rarer to find one that'll start a conversation)
I would argue your last point, I'm not self-righteous or arrogant. I just come off that way to people because I'm aware of the fact that I'm always right.
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Warehouse - I am an INTJ. I'm with you on everything you said, and I'm not sure where the conflict with what you said and what I said lies.
Since I only personally know one person who I suspect to be an INTJ (and he's much older, and naturally very quiet) it's sometimes a bit frustrating trying to get people to understand my thought process. Because of that, I often look for INTJs writing about being an INTJ, just to know that I'm not insane because of how I think.
Reading through a thread like this on another forum is how I came across this gem:
http://intjcentral.com/the-compleat-idiots-guide-to-the-intj/
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Everytime a thread like this shows up on an online forum, INTJ is a large part of the population. I don't think it's necessarily false data though. I think it's possible the sample is skewed based on how the information is collected (i.e. the fact that it's on an online forum will affect the types of people participating). INTJs may just be more likely to participate in these types of discussions, and in online forums in general.
INTJs are introverted, and are more likely to get a large part of their social interaction on online forums as opposed to in-person interaction because it allows them to go at their own pace, and be very selective about how they interact.
INTJs are often somewhat proud of their INTJ status, which means they're more likely to participate in the personality test threads.
Since INTJs are pretty rare, they may find comfort in reading things from other INTJs (it's nice to know that there are other people that can relate to how you think) which, again, makes them more likely to participate in personality test threads on forums, since that's the surest way to find an INTJ talking about the quirks of being an INTJ.
INTJs are typically voracious readers/researchers, which leads to them to online forums.
INTJs often work in technical fields, and are probably more likely to be comfortable with computers, and thus more likely to find their way to online forums.
so at the convention, one of the talks was about how all people will speak a single language in the new system.
my ears perked up when i heard at the outset "now, we can't be dogmatic about this" because that immediately makes me think that they're backing away from a previously dogmatic stance.
he went on to say that everyone will be speaking hebrew in the new system because "evidently" (another word that gets my ears to perk up these days) that was what was spoken before the languages were confused at bable.
So at the convention, one of the talks was about how all people will speak a single language in the new system. My ears perked up when I heard at the outset "now, we can't be dogmatic about this" because that immediately makes me think that they're backing away from a previously dogmatic stance. He went on to say that everyone will be speaking Hebrew in the new system because "evidently" (another word that gets my ears to perk up these days) that was what was spoken before the languages were confused at bable.
Now, I'm fairly certain that I read a QFR or something on this topic something like 10 years ago. I thought that had said that they didn't know if we'd speak one language, or if god would pour out holy spirit to let us speak all languages (as in 70 CE) or something like that. The impression I got was that this was a change in understanding, and I'm wondering if they've now gone back to saying there will only be one language.
If no one knows off hand, I'll post up what I'm able to find, if anything. It just seemed interesting to me that they might be flip-flopping yet again on trivial things. You'd think that they'd learn to stop speculating on things that don't matter...
well, of course nothing else would be expected, but it passes me off.. for example, they show this short video that shows a child dying, shows her father crying as he visits her grave...and then she is reunited with her family in "the new system" and then it shows a handicapped girl who is sad she can't ice skate with friends...fast forward to tns, she can skate!!!
then an elderly couple is shown happily young again.... .
and of course the end is "so close!
Another thing that disturbed me about the convention...during one talk the speaker was going on about how great the 'apathy trollies' are. He also stated what appeared, to me, to be a slight change in policy, that those stationed at a cart should actively engage people walking by. Then, he twice exorted the audience (even though probably only 1% could be approved to operate a cart) to "Sick 'em!" as if the JWs are to emulate rabid attack dogs.
well, of course nothing else would be expected, but it passes me off.. for example, they show this short video that shows a child dying, shows her father crying as he visits her grave...and then she is reunited with her family in "the new system" and then it shows a handicapped girl who is sad she can't ice skate with friends...fast forward to tns, she can skate!!!
then an elderly couple is shown happily young again.... .
and of course the end is "so close!
Some thoughts on my convention:
I think it was during the 100 years of kingdom rule contrasted with 100 years of satan's system talk, the speaker says something about christendom "tickling the ears of their followers" by providing entertainment and concerts, etc. Then in the next couple hours, we watch the emotional manipulation video and a live action drama. How is this anything but blatant hipocracy?
There were at least two mentions of "athiests and agnostics" that stood out to me. The first stated that christendom is "the leading cause of athiesm." Basically, the point made was that people are only athiests because they're disgusted by the religions that they've seen (i.e. they'd surely be JWs if only we could reach them!). I (as an athiest) sat there wondering, is it really impossible that athiests are what they are because they see no evidence of the existence of god? The second mention, similarly, said that they were better off than christendom since they've rejected them for their hipocracy, etc, but they're still not on the highway of holiness and will be destroyed at armageddon. Again, the only reason to be athiest is because you reject christendom and you just gave up instead of finding the JWs.
Side note - I couldn't get AC/DC's Highway to Hell out of my head the whole time they were going on about the highway of holiness.
There was also a part where some teenagers discuss what they want to do in the new system. Wow were they really selling the unrealistic expectations. Everyone's going to get a beachfront house, and a vacation home at a ski resort! They even had one kid represent logic by saying something like "how do you know you're going to get a house where you want?" and the other kid says "the bible says he's going to satisfy all our desires, and I desire a house in the mountains!"
It's probably confirmation bias, but there also seemed to be a lot of self-promotion from the GB member that did the talks on the tie in. In the last talk, he almost made a point of telling everyone that he'd be ruling over us (when reviewing the "thrones" talk, he spent twice as long talking about the thrones of the 144000 than he did on Jesus' and Jehovah's thrones combined). When he started talking about the 144000's thrones, it was almost as if he was so used to talking to other anointeds about ruling over the R/F that he started to refer to it as our thrones, then he stopped himself and said, of course most of you in the audience will be the subjects of the kingdom, with the 144000 ruling from their thrones. I think this may give a hint as to how the GB talks about the flock behind closed doors.
Also from the last talk, he gave some highlights of those baptized at the IC. One was a guy who'd studied 35 years ago, but managed not to get dragged in with his wife. He finally got baptized and the speaker recounted his reason: the guy that studied with him was so nice that he eventually joined up (so it isn't the accuracy of the doctrine, it's the social network!). They also said that his wife missed his baptism because she was in the hospital. so he's an older guy facing an ailing wife and he wants to maximize the support he gets from his wife's friends- it's a no-brainer to get baptized at that point. he probably knows that it's all BS.
all in all, a thuroughly crappy weekend.
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'nother INTJ here, and 100% introverted. hooray aspergers!
Bungi Bill - I wouldn't be surprised if us INTJs were more likely to drink a bit. I know it helps me with my extreme social anxiety. Plus, sometimes it's nice to even the playing field
