The "real reason" was probably that they couldn't find anyone sane enough amongst the annointed to actually handle the day-to-day operations. You don't have to be sane to make arbitrary decisions regarding "spiritual maters." I think a lot of the recent changes prove as much.
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President not on governing body
by incognito2014 inbeen out since about 1999. i was surprised to just read that the current president (adams) is not on the governing body.
what happened there?.
obviously prior to that the president was in charge not just of the adminstration but also seemed to be heavily involved in defining doctrine.. the president seems to have really taken a back seat.. i know this must be old news, but just showed how much i am out of touch.
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Ferguson Shooting (Is my thinking on this all wrong.......)
by out4good3 ini think everyone here can agree that walking down the street, even in the middle of the street, is not cause for having a clip emptied in your ass......... i can understand how the black community would be outraged by the injustice of seeing another black man dead in the street at the hands of the police under mysterious circumstances....... i hope that i'm not succumbing to the attempts to assinate the already well impuned character of the dead man...... however.
i can't help but think that this could all have been avoided by exercising the proper discretion with fore-knowledge of the disadvantages people of color have when they are dealing with law enforcement in the united states.
it is not as if this disadvantage has only since recently came to light.
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OneEyedJoe
I get what you're saying, and while I don't know all the details of this case, I do know that incidents like this almost always come down to the fact that both parties made mistakes.
The difference, in my opinion, is that one party has training, ostensibly to help him resolve situations like this peacefully. That party also wears a badge that probably has something like "to serve and protect" written on it. While I have empathy for the fact that the police put themselves at risk to help the community, they knew the risk going in and still wanted the job. Not to mention the fact that the job isn't nearly as risky as most assume.
All this leaves me with the opinion that police officers should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us.
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New Bethel Facility - Fort Lauderdale Remote Translation Office (RTO)
by daniel-p inhey all, it's been a long time since i've posted anything here.
this may be of interest to some people, or not.
and i'm not sure if this has been announced in the congregations, even, because thankfully i have not attended any meetings in quite some time.
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OneEyedJoe
Sir82, you missed one important detail:
It will be easier to sell South Florida property when the time is right.
WTS business model for the 21st century:
-- Buy cheap land in undeveloped and/or undervalued area
-- Use volunteer labor to construct buildings which could later be used as office space / convention centers
-- Charge rent from the people who paid for the building in the first place, so they can use the buildings for a few years, as development of the surrounding area builds up
-- Sell the buildings at an astounding profit
-- Lather, rinse, repeat
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2014 MEMORIAL ATTENDANCES FOR REST OF THE WORLD
by steve2 inthe october kingdom ministry for the united states reported the 2014 memorial attendances for the us branch office that has subsequently been well discussed in a separate thread.
in that thread, a poster asserted that in some parts of europe the attendance had been higher than last year - but to date no source evidence has been provided.. so, have memorial attendances for other parts of the world been reported in any of the publications such as kingdom ministryyet?.
if so, could you direct me to the source(s).
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OneEyedJoe
Man, Japan is always ahead of the trends - declining since 2004!
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Today's public talk: shameless indoctrination
by OneEyedJoe intoday's talk was really somethin'.
so much so that i felt compelled to post this during the wt study.... i didn't pay attention to the theme, but where i to title the talk it would be "logical fallacy, scripture out of context, and phobia indoctrination: a case study in cult indoctrination.".
that's certainly a more honest title than whatever they gave, i'm sure.. it starts out by saying that sometimes people are skeptical about things they're told, and feel compelled to look for evidence of the claims.
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No worries, Hairtrigger. You'd really have to make an effort to offend me. Plus, I really do feel dirty when I leave that place.
You're right though, it's quite amazing how classic indoctrination techniques can be passed on implicitly to the indoctrinated. I've known the speaker for a while, and he's a genuinely nice guy so I can't even ascribe evil intentions to him. At the same time, though, he could hardly have come up with a more effective attempt at phobia indoctrination to make everyone afraid of stepping out of line. I mean seriously, he equated (and, I might add, fairly convincingly if you don't know what he's doing) any action that was even a little outside the lines (i.e. listening to one song to see what all the fuss was about) to stepping outside a shelter into a tornado - i.e. certain death. Asking people to imagine dying, then asserting that would be the result of any "curiosity" about the world. Absolutely disgusting, and yet said by a genuinely friendly, kind man.
I don't know what goes on at those elder's schools, but I assume they don't explicitly teach the elders to use phobia indocrtination, so I guess they just subconsciously know what methods were used to indoctrinate them and they parrot it out, like you say. It's just crazy to see it in action like that. I guess that's just one more indirect way cults can control people, because if you don't watch it in action knowing what's goign on, it seems absolutely insane that those indoctrinated into the cult would just sort of stumble on the ideal indoctrination methods.
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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OneEyedJoe
Well I guess that makes one of us.
Great thread BTW.
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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OneEyedJoe
How's that drink, DATA-DOG?
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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?
by opusdei1972 ini am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.
so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.
but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.
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OneEyedJoe
Before you can prove Jesus' body disappeared, you'll have to prove that Jesus existed at all. There's no evidence that he did, and even of there was a man on whom the story is based, the story most certainly has plenty of holes.
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needing advice on neighbors and ...
by advice-on-neighbors inguns.
i am not jehovahs' witness, so thank you for allowing me this visit.
i have friends i respect deeply who are, and much apprecaite their faith and integrity.. however i have a problem with my jehovah witness neigbors shooting guns often, five days this week.
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OneEyedJoe
On second thought, you might get some traction if you write a letter of complaint to your local kingdom hall specifying their unchristian behavior. That may not be likely to get you any great result, depending on their status with the cult, but it may put them in an awkward situation. JWs put a lot of lip service to "giving a good witness" and setting an example so they will likely get a talking to from the local cult leaders at the very least.
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needing advice on neighbors and ...
by advice-on-neighbors inguns.
i am not jehovahs' witness, so thank you for allowing me this visit.
i have friends i respect deeply who are, and much apprecaite their faith and integrity.. however i have a problem with my jehovah witness neigbors shooting guns often, five days this week.
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OneEyedJoe
Unfortunately JWs are only able to apply scriptural principles to others, not themselves. If you've already talked to them and they've made no attempt to accommodate your concerns, I don't see many options other than to contact the police, if indeed they are violating any laws.