Posts by OneEyedJoe

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Help prevent sons indoctrination.

by WasOnceBlind in

ok so here is the deal, as some of you who might have read my first post might remember, my parents are jw's while i myself have faded.

i have not told them that i don't believe in the borg and i have done my research and concluded it's a bunch of crap.

the main reason i haven't is because it would break my moms heart and probably send her into a deep depression (she suffers from depression).

OneEyedJoe

Oh, one other thing I forgot to mention - if he challenges you for evidence when you tell him something, give him lots of praise. Teach him that this is not something that's socially unacceptable to do, and should be celebrated. Especially if he catches you saying something that isn't supported by evidence - thank him for helping you to learn something.

When he gets different treatment from your father, he'll be confused and won't like it. It'll make for a stark contrast that will sour him on the cult.

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Help prevent sons indoctrination.

by WasOnceBlind in

ok so here is the deal, as some of you who might have read my first post might remember, my parents are jw's while i myself have faded.

i have not told them that i don't believe in the borg and i have done my research and concluded it's a bunch of crap.

the main reason i haven't is because it would break my moms heart and probably send her into a deep depression (she suffers from depression).

OneEyedJoe

Sounds like you've got a smart kid. I would just warn you again not to underestimate the power of social pressure over an extended period of time. It's probably better for him to know your father is full of BS before getting pseudo-logical answers from him. Though in this day and age information is much more readily available to disprove things than it was when I was in his position.

In the end, I suspect you'll be fine either way, even if he does end up slightly indoctrinated for a time. When he hits his teens he won't want anything to do with the cult, and if you support that there's almost no way he'll get sucked in. At that point the most important thing is to ensure he has healthy coping mechanisms for difficulty so that he won't turn to the cult for answers.

Sounds like you're doing something right, though, so just keep it up!

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Help prevent sons indoctrination.

by WasOnceBlind in

ok so here is the deal, as some of you who might have read my first post might remember, my parents are jw's while i myself have faded.

i have not told them that i don't believe in the borg and i have done my research and concluded it's a bunch of crap.

the main reason i haven't is because it would break my moms heart and probably send her into a deep depression (she suffers from depression).

OneEyedJoe

I wouldn't have him ask questions. Your father is an authority figure and your son will feel strong pressure to accept whatever BS answer is given him. Better to explain that some people just believe very silly things (and maybe give examples of things from other religions that everyone will agree are silly). Then nurture his intellect and critical thinking skills and it won't be long before he has no interest in bible study.

Take that for what it's worth, coming from someone without kids. I do, however, strongly believe that had someone, anyone, done that for me, I would never have been baptized.

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"Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?

by LHS123 in

i am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.

i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.

one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .

OneEyedJoe

It hurt's no matter who you are.

And what's more, it hurts even if you would rather not talk to the person shunning you. It's inherently psychologically damaging, emotional blackmail and is absolutely shameful.

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Satan Using Google - What Next?

by berrygerry in

in the apostasy trial - part 2, one of the illuminati elders states that "satan is using google.".

it would appear that the elder is correct.. "google (googl, tech30) once again revived its "person finder" tool this weekend.

the tool helps people search for and post information about missing friends and family in the disaster zone.

OneEyedJoe

Of course he's using google. Who can find what they're after on bing?

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"Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?

by LHS123 in

i am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.

i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.

one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .

OneEyedJoe

Yeah. They actually recently revised the faq on shunning. Previously it was much more misleading. It still is pretty misleading though. Another part that's clearly deceptive is that they say that people are only disfellowshipped for breaking the bible's moral code. But many here have experienced that you can easily be disfellowshipped for imitating the bereans that Paul gave such high praise to. Not to mention a whole host of other things not condemned by the bible (smoking, birthdays, associating with DF'd family, etc. etc.)

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Evidence based folks: what is your stance on GMO's and why?

by cappytan in

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friends

so, the anti-gmo movement scored another victory today.

chipotle has opted to only use non-gmo food items.. hooray for them.

i'm pretty neutral on the subject, mostly because, other than questionable treatment of farmers, i have seen no evidence to avoid gmo's for health reasons.. basically, my neutrality boils down to the stance that i'll buy non-gmo, so long as the price is reasonable.

OneEyedJoe

It depends on how they're modified. If they modify corn to store up a little more water in order to be more drought tolerant, I've seen no reason to believe that this would result in the corn being bad for our health (well no more than regular corn). If they modify it to produce toxic insecticides, then maybe we shouldn't be eating it.

This is the sort of problem that happens when you lump a broad group of things into one catchy label. We've been producing hybrid plants (for example, the tangelo) for a very long time, and in most cases GMOs are just more advanced versions of that. Most of the fear over GMOs, in my opinion, is based solely around it's novelty.

Since there's not much market for corn that kills people, I'm not too worried...

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is this still a belief? no 'marraige' after being resurected?

by sowhatnow in

i was having a discussion with my sister yesterday, and she said to me,'mom told me that if dad dies at armageddon, she cant get remarried in the new system' .

i told he i have never heard such a thing, but i do recall that it was believed that anyone who dies now, cannot be married in the 'new world' because they are to be as angels in heaven.. she said , so why be resurrected if yiu cant live your dream of having a loving mate and perfect children?

god is still dictating to you how you will live.

OneEyedJoe

Wow joe, they finally corrected that teaching? Took long enough!

Yep...I only paid attention because our CO that gave the talk could barely get through it, having lost his wife (that he clearly loved immensely) about 4 years ago. Afterward I said to my wife "you know, they really could've saved a lot of people a huge amount of heartache if only they weren't so dogmatic about that." Her response was "oh...I guess that [the no marriage for resurrected ones doctrine] never really mattered to me." ugh.

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is this still a belief? no 'marraige' after being resurected?

by sowhatnow in

i was having a discussion with my sister yesterday, and she said to me,'mom told me that if dad dies at armageddon, she cant get remarried in the new system' .

i told he i have never heard such a thing, but i do recall that it was believed that anyone who dies now, cannot be married in the 'new world' because they are to be as angels in heaven.. she said , so why be resurrected if yiu cant live your dream of having a loving mate and perfect children?

god is still dictating to you how you will live.

OneEyedJoe

That was, as far as I know, never a belief regarding living forever on the earth and only for the anointed.

No, this always applied to people who had the earthly hope, until a QFR article last year. They also covered it in the last talk of the assembly last year - that now this was apparently only talking about people in heaven, and we can't say for sure what people on earth will be allowed.

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LOL -

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

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friends

tee hee hee.

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OneEyedJoe

Wow. That could not be a more honest look for a GB member - wolf in sheep's clothing.

What is going in here?