so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
Stan :)
The worst is the meeting (which was actually an investigation) will
generate an orol report and discussion at the next meeting of the Body of
elders,
This could lead to a JC meeting where he is burned at the stake for his
beliefs,
By being DFed,
That would be the worst,
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dear friends,.
once again my depression has got the better of me and i must bow out for a time.. "the angels sang glory to god in the highest and on earth peace unto men of goodwill'.
so if that means at this special time of the year then have a happy and safe christmas time all of you.. hugs.
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
On this site, there's a recurring recommended line to use to the effect of
"I'm going through some serious personal problem and I can't talk (on the phone, hang up here), never explain or be "sorry" for anything because they will take control of the conversation and you,
You will be harassed,
If you can, do as I did, move away as far as possible the quicker the better,
If they ever come by here I will immediately threaten them with police to
remove them and a restraining order to keep them away,
They seem very nice,
They are not,
They are religious fanatics
i have a friend who said he'll have to stop listening to me after i told him about yahweh's origins in canaanite religion, because he's firm in his beliefs.. i have a mother who said she goes to the meetings even if it's wrong, and i should too.
she is also firm in her beliefs.. i have talked to an elder about evolution, and as i made the case for it and against creationism, he said that at some point i have to decide that there is a creator.
he too is firm in his beliefs.. all of these people will also talk about going out in service.
It's religion,
Religion is blind belief,
You know what it was like in field service,
Did you ever make a point with a Moslem?
How about a Trinitarian?
People will defend their belief system BEYOND ALL REASON,
How come you and I are out?
We're different,
We're rational,
We're REASONABLE
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so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
I read a definition recently that said "true evil is accomplished by those
who think they are doing good."
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
These guys are deceptive as sin,
My wife told them I wasn't coming anymore and made one of those appointments,
I figured I'm going to show up and let them in, without saying anything,
I did,
To get it over with,
Not on your life,
Two others said they wanted to speak to me,
I said ok but one at a time,
What do you think they said?
I was in this cult over 50 years,
2 together is a trap,
I had to leave town because of the hounding,
Listen to Wing Commander,
They're diabolical,
:(
my sister called me quite out of the blue last night.
she's a full on active jw and actively shunning me like the rest of the family are.
i dont quite know the reason why she felt last night was the right time to call but im glad she did.
i wish i had read this back when i was 18. it's an amazing take down of religious beliefs, the bible, and religion in general.
) a "reason"-able manner.take this quote, from near the beginning:.
when also i am told that a woman, called the virgin mary, said, or gave out, that she was with child without any cohabitation with a man, and that her betrothed husband, joseph, said that an angel told him so, i have a right to believe them or not: such a circumstance required a much stronger evidence than their bare word for it: but we have not even this; for neither joseph nor mary wrote any such matter themselves.
Thomas Paine is one is one of the most important Deist Writers,
Probably the best Deist site is:
Age of Reason is avaliable there,
As well as Fred Thompson's story who is an ex Witness now Diest,
(he left over 1975)
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i disassociated myself 3 years ago but have never told my mother, as she lives quite a distance from me in the uk.
i've have told her that i no longer go to meetings, neither does my son, who is 16.. i haven't seen her for 3 1/2 years.
i offered to come visit this week but she was incredibly offhand with me and said she couldn't meet with me today as she was on the ministry!!
Well we were warned that folks would be without "natural affection" ,
Sorry, that wasn't helpful,
I just get overcome with the irony sometimes,
I moved 3000 miles away,
I talk to my Mom who is 84 by phone,
I have rejected religion completely,
After all it was Jesus Christ who said HE was was bringing a sword against relatives!
I'm happy to hear about your happy little family,
Give strength to one another,
Peace,
Tepid,
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it occurred to me the other day...the society is loading us up on all types of ways to reach others....jw.org, all types of literature, all types of different ideas, maybe you could use the tools jehovah gave us this way or perhaps you can use it that way, maybe you can volunteer, maybe you can go where the need is greater, maybe you can give more $$$, maybe you can give more time, maybe you can look at how you can be in the ministry more, maybe you can meditate more, maybe you can do this or that for your family study, maybe you can talk to a seasoned witness & find out how they.....& i know there are tons of other things maybe we can do....or yes, forgot this one, maybe you can quit your job....then maybe you can get some rest, because you can't serve jehovah when you are tired.
how can you get more rest if, you don't have no money to live indoors...anyway, with all these maybe's we can do..... it came to my mind that the gb isn't here as of yet & it seems the org.
is pressing the friends for bible studies...they are saying....we are giving you all these tools & so why are you not getting bible studies or return visits...it's almost as if they are brow-beating us...do more because the society has given you more...it's not us, folks just ain't listening to us at the door any more....they are not even opening up the door.
Maybe you can do more on vacation, there's no no vacation from serving Jehovah! Who're in the other campsites? Lying on the beaches in Mexico!
You know I'm not making anything up here,
THESE GUYS ARE COMPLETELY OUT TO LUNCH! LOL
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