I think that this is a no win situation
But I think that insight as to what is going on could be helpful
His responses as you've described were not spontaneous
They were rehearsed
JWS constantly prepare for every encounter
He probably approached an elder
And they worked on those responses together,
I would just leave them alone
It sounds like you gave it your all the first time
But they suffer from bullet proof brain syndrome
Everything bounces off
:0)