i have a friend who said he'll have to stop listening to me after i told him about yahweh's origins in canaanite religion, because he's firm in his beliefs.. i have a mother who said she goes to the meetings even if it's wrong, and i should too.
she is also firm in her beliefs.. i have talked to an elder about evolution, and as i made the case for it and against creationism, he said that at some point i have to decide that there is a creator.
he too is firm in his beliefs.. all of these people will also talk about going out in service.
It's religion,
Religion is blind belief,
You know what it was like in field service,
Did you ever make a point with a Moslem?
How about a Trinitarian?
People will defend their belief system BEYOND ALL REASON,
How come you and I are out?
We're different,
We're rational,
We're REASONABLE
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so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
I read a definition recently that said "true evil is accomplished by those
who think they are doing good."
so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.
he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".
he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.
These guys are deceptive as sin,
My wife told them I wasn't coming anymore and made one of those appointments,
I figured I'm going to show up and let them in, without saying anything,
I did,
To get it over with,
Not on your life,
Two others said they wanted to speak to me,
I said ok but one at a time,
What do you think they said?
I was in this cult over 50 years,
2 together is a trap,
I had to leave town because of the hounding,
Listen to Wing Commander,
They're diabolical,
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my sister called me quite out of the blue last night.
she's a full on active jw and actively shunning me like the rest of the family are.
i dont quite know the reason why she felt last night was the right time to call but im glad she did.
i wish i had read this back when i was 18. it's an amazing take down of religious beliefs, the bible, and religion in general.
) a "reason"-able manner.take this quote, from near the beginning:.
when also i am told that a woman, called the virgin mary, said, or gave out, that she was with child without any cohabitation with a man, and that her betrothed husband, joseph, said that an angel told him so, i have a right to believe them or not: such a circumstance required a much stronger evidence than their bare word for it: but we have not even this; for neither joseph nor mary wrote any such matter themselves.
Thomas Paine is one is one of the most important Deist Writers,
Probably the best Deist site is:
Age of Reason is avaliable there,
As well as Fred Thompson's story who is an ex Witness now Diest,
(he left over 1975)
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i disassociated myself 3 years ago but have never told my mother, as she lives quite a distance from me in the uk.
i've have told her that i no longer go to meetings, neither does my son, who is 16.. i haven't seen her for 3 1/2 years.
i offered to come visit this week but she was incredibly offhand with me and said she couldn't meet with me today as she was on the ministry!!
Well we were warned that folks would be without "natural affection" ,
Sorry, that wasn't helpful,
I just get overcome with the irony sometimes,
I moved 3000 miles away,
I talk to my Mom who is 84 by phone,
I have rejected religion completely,
After all it was Jesus Christ who said HE was was bringing a sword against relatives!
I'm happy to hear about your happy little family,
Give strength to one another,
Peace,
Tepid,
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it occurred to me the other day...the society is loading us up on all types of ways to reach others....jw.org, all types of literature, all types of different ideas, maybe you could use the tools jehovah gave us this way or perhaps you can use it that way, maybe you can volunteer, maybe you can go where the need is greater, maybe you can give more $$$, maybe you can give more time, maybe you can look at how you can be in the ministry more, maybe you can meditate more, maybe you can do this or that for your family study, maybe you can talk to a seasoned witness & find out how they.....& i know there are tons of other things maybe we can do....or yes, forgot this one, maybe you can quit your job....then maybe you can get some rest, because you can't serve jehovah when you are tired.
how can you get more rest if, you don't have no money to live indoors...anyway, with all these maybe's we can do..... it came to my mind that the gb isn't here as of yet & it seems the org.
is pressing the friends for bible studies...they are saying....we are giving you all these tools & so why are you not getting bible studies or return visits...it's almost as if they are brow-beating us...do more because the society has given you more...it's not us, folks just ain't listening to us at the door any more....they are not even opening up the door.
Maybe you can do more on vacation, there's no no vacation from serving Jehovah! Who're in the other campsites? Lying on the beaches in Mexico!
You know I'm not making anything up here,
THESE GUYS ARE COMPLETELY OUT TO LUNCH! LOL
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has anybody else noticed that almost all the jdubs are super arrogant?
i mean even from just the basic ones to especially the elders and the overseers omg.
they act like they are so high and mighty that you should just worship them.
It's a lot like the Muslims,
They have the truth,
You don't,
And God is going to destroy all your sorry hides,
You loathsome SOT,
HAHAHAHAHA!
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PS Also, They read, they know lots of stuff, you don't!!!
so i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
I think your going about this wrong,
You are asking the opinions of others presumably to measure them in forming your opinion,
Instead I suggest you go in the internet and Google "how to critical thinking"
Do your own research,
Look at the verifiable evidence
Listen to both sides of the argument
Form a conclusion that was reached rationally,
Tepid the Skeptic
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there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.
but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.
yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..
Scripture asks "who is greater the Potter or the clay?"
You vehemently argue that life on Earth had an intelligent designer,
What is the origin of the "designer" who by the above scripture is greater than His creation,
By your own reasoning there is compelling evidence that Someone in fact made God!
