Thank you Simon,
I think the sites benefiting from the more personalized Avatars.
Thanks for doing this site as well. It's helped me out no end, I can tell you.
Phats.
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62Simon, please update my profile picture!
by will-be-apostate ini've read on another thread you need to delete the cached file of the profile picture so that it can be updated by the gravatar user.
i created a gravatar account, added the email address i use on here and uploaded the an image, but nothing happens.
this was 3 days ago.. could you please solve this problem?.
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?? Question for those that have successfully faded/are out:
by Darth Fader The Sequel inquestion: can any of you that have successfully faded out of the jw world without being df'd or da'd relate to me/us how you were able to maintain at least one or a few of your "still in" friends or family?
(and even if you were df'd or da'd and still maintained some relationships, how did that go?).
obviously, the truly demented, sick and twisted (and highly effective) policies and structure of the wtbt$ to set up a system by which anyone that chooses to no longer believe or participate must be treated as "mentally diseased" and a pariah by their own friends and family is the hands down, numero uno reason why many hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of jw's do not leave.
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I started writing & remembered I had said the same thing on a post I made when I joined. Sorry if it's to long a read but I've kept it as short as I could.
With my fade I had a stroke of luck when my book study overseer (lazy git. I did all my stuff & half of his) was so lazy that he forgot to shepherd me about something that I didn't actually do.
When I got the call from the 2 elders wanting to talk to me I asked them what about. They came round & explained the things that I was being removed for & said that this had all been explained buy my group study overseer. When I showed them this was not the case & that he had never come over at any time other than to watch the F1 Grand Prix with me they said that this was bad that nothing had been said as I should have been given a chance to comply. Then when they found out that there was nothing going on that was wrong & that they were mistaken they all looked rather embarrassed. Then when my study overseer was questioned he said that he had been to busy to talk to me about it even when he new it was going down when he came over to my house drinking my bear & watching the race with me.
Then I was told that the letter had already been sent, returned, rubber stamped & that nothing could be done now even if it was incorrect.
I was then told that he would be coming over (He never did) to apologise & say that if I carried on the same way that I had been for the last 15 years & not make a fuss about the wrong doing then I would be reinstated after the next CO visit.
I said that I was fine with no longer serving but all I would ask was that when the announcement went out about me no longer serving that they could also state that a misjudgment had been made on my behalf.
I reasoned with them that if they were going too make this announcement that some in the cong would wonder what it was that I had done & we have already agreed that I had done nothing wrong.
Well this was met by an overwhelming "err no".
I said that some brothers & sisters may wonder if I had been up to no good & as they couldn't stop the announcement that this would help me out.
I was then told that there was no provision for this so in disbelief I started looking through all the literature (Nothing) & then I started looking on the eval internet & the rest as they say is history (Well for me anyway)
The funny thing is they all new they cocked up & this gave me the perfect opportunity to bail & bail I jolly well did. Hurrah the the lazy buggers in my cong. there it was. An open door out & I was going to grab it with both hands,teeth, toes & whatever else I could muster up.
All my relatives & family know about the cock up.
What I was told though, was that in these cases the brother will be asked if he will open in prayer on the next sunday meeting & this will send out the unofficial word that I did nothing wrong so on the next Sunday I'm asked if I will open in prayer, I say yes of cause I would be happy to. I went up on to the platform said thank you Jehovah for everything you have done for us, said amen, got down, picked up my things & walked out with my bemused family following behind me.
I've never been back & its just great!!!!!!
Sorry for long post.
Phats.
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Simon, please update my profile picture!
by will-be-apostate ini've read on another thread you need to delete the cached file of the profile picture so that it can be updated by the gravatar user.
i created a gravatar account, added the email address i use on here and uploaded the an image, but nothing happens.
this was 3 days ago.. could you please solve this problem?.
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phats
Any chance for me to.
Phats.
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Name Some Things That JWs Look Down Upon That Normal People Wouldn't Even Think About?
by minimus injws look down on others for saying, "bless you" if someone sneezes.
it has something to do with the demons.
another example is that it is considered satanic if a man took his hat off for a lady!
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The only place for "self mutilation" with jewelry are the earlobes.
Anywhere else is not showing good spirituality or respect for gods creation & therefore somewhat questionable.
Keep em in the lobes folks.
Phats.
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Molestation in the UK.
by phats inaccording to uk news reports http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28203914 institutions complicit in covering over or withholding current & historical information from the correct authorities when accusations, understandings & informations have been raised will hopefully be investigated.. this is to include all public associations including the government top brass, the police, the fostering commission as well as religious organisations.. what will be needed is for brave jw victims to come forward with there experiences & make the lo (loving organisation) accountable for there gross negligence & downright dirty tricks to protect the lo from any criticism or blame.. what do you think can be done to help these victims come forward & put there necks on the block & get this scum in court.. can this site move on something like this?.
thoughts please.. phats..
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The only evidence the police need for now is for victims to come forward & speak out.
The more victims that come forward the more notice the problem will be given by the authorities.
The thing is, action will need to be organized & victims rallied.
This will get the ball rolling & get the borg investigated.
The more time the borg is given the more time they have to cover over there tracks.
Is it just me on this one?
Phats.
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Molestation in the UK.
by phats inaccording to uk news reports http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28203914 institutions complicit in covering over or withholding current & historical information from the correct authorities when accusations, understandings & informations have been raised will hopefully be investigated.. this is to include all public associations including the government top brass, the police, the fostering commission as well as religious organisations.. what will be needed is for brave jw victims to come forward with there experiences & make the lo (loving organisation) accountable for there gross negligence & downright dirty tricks to protect the lo from any criticism or blame.. what do you think can be done to help these victims come forward & put there necks on the block & get this scum in court.. can this site move on something like this?.
thoughts please.. phats..
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As I understood it, the WT wouldn't get any choice as to admit it or not. They would be fond gilty in a court of law. I'm sure many of the faithful will indulge in there sanctimonious grief stricken persecution orgasm, but if enough victims come forward together they stand a better chance of getting justice.
Phats.
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Molestation in the UK.
by phats inaccording to uk news reports http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28203914 institutions complicit in covering over or withholding current & historical information from the correct authorities when accusations, understandings & informations have been raised will hopefully be investigated.. this is to include all public associations including the government top brass, the police, the fostering commission as well as religious organisations.. what will be needed is for brave jw victims to come forward with there experiences & make the lo (loving organisation) accountable for there gross negligence & downright dirty tricks to protect the lo from any criticism or blame.. what do you think can be done to help these victims come forward & put there necks on the block & get this scum in court.. can this site move on something like this?.
thoughts please.. phats..
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According to UK news reports http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28203914 institutions complicit in covering over or withholding current & historical information from the correct authorities when accusations, understandings & informations have been raised will hopefully be investigated.
This is to include all public associations including the government top brass, the police, the fostering commission as well as religious organisations.
What will be needed is for brave JW victims to come forward with there experiences & make the LO (loving organisation) accountable for there gross negligence & downright dirty tricks to protect the LO from any criticism or blame.
What do you think can be done to help these victims come forward & put there necks on the block & get this scum in court.
Can this site move on something like this?
Thoughts please.Phats.
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What to do when my wife is away for a week and I am supposed to attend this years RC?
by suavojr ineasy... skip it!.
but already i had people calling me asking where i was yesterday!!!!
the system the jw's have in place can be compared to a communist regime , where everyone keeps a check on each other.
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Well done suavojr,
It dose get easier as time goes by. I played it down for a while & when the heat started I kept dodging until they stopped. They new I had a ligit beef with them over something they did wrong so they put 2 & 2 together & made 5, well 5 was fine with me if it kept them of my back & it did. Only ever see them out & about now & I smile & they smile & that's about it.
Not bad hay.
Phats.
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What to do when my wife is away for a week and I am supposed to attend this years RC?
by suavojr ineasy... skip it!.
but already i had people calling me asking where i was yesterday!!!!
the system the jw's have in place can be compared to a communist regime , where everyone keeps a check on each other.
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No Stuck,
She's a lot better with all things JW now but still in.
She sees a lot more now but things are slow as she needs time. I don't think she will ever leave but there grip is less on her now. It was super strong but she is a lot more chilled now about the small stuff but I think it's in here blood more that mine (we were both born ins.)
Phats.
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What to do when my wife is away for a week and I am supposed to attend this years RC?
by suavojr ineasy... skip it!.
but already i had people calling me asking where i was yesterday!!!!
the system the jw's have in place can be compared to a communist regime , where everyone keeps a check on each other.
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My fade was right in the middle of our district assembly. I spent the program times in my car in the car park listening to CDs & then went in during the brakes to see my wife & kids.
It was a bit odd but it worked as my wife understood that I just couldn't listed to that crap any more but she was crying the days before wondering how she was going to manage without me being there as usual so we made a compromise. It did help to show everyone that something was up though & that help my fade as I gave me the impetus to keep fading.
Phats.