Posts by opusdei1972

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Sole CHANNEL of communication?

by Batman89 in

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has the gb ever explained exactly how they supposedly communicate with god and get new light or other "inspiration" for their "spiritual dog food"?.

do they all sit in a room together and hold hands and join one conciousness??.

do they fall asleep and go to the dream world and talk to jehovah there like the movie inception or something??.

opusdei1972

According to Rutherford, who believed to be the appointed by Christ in 1918, the Holy Spirit was no more necessary after this year:

“It would seem that there would be no necessity for the ‘servant’ to have an advocate such as the holy spirit, because the ‘servant’ to have an advocate is in direct communication with Jehovah and as Jehovah’s instrument, and Christ Jesus acts for the entire body.” (Watchtower, September 1, 1930 p. 263, p. 263)

“After the holy spirit as an advocate or paraclete ceased to function in behalf of the consecrated, then the angels are employed in behalf of those who are being made ready for the kingdom. ‘For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all they ways’ -Ps. 91:11″ (Preservation, 1932 p. 51-52)

“By his spirit, the holy spirit, Jehovah God guides or leads his people up to a certain point of time, and thus he did until the time when ‘the comforter’ was taken away, which would necessarily occur when Jesus, the Head of his organization, came to the temple and gathered unto himself those whom he found faithful when he, as the great Judge, began his judgment, in 1918.” (Preservation, 1932, p. 193-194)

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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

by Terry in

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i'm at starbucks .

just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

my hands are shaking.. wow!.

opusdei1972

I asked him to investigate what 7 million JW's spent all their time preaching from 1968 to 1975.

Here is what witnesses were preaching during those days:

*** Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15 ***
If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the 'last days' in 1914, Jesus foretold:'This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.

Interestingly, not only Jesus' generation passed away, but that of 1914 too. So those young guys who in 1969 avoided a career "in this system of things" are now old and were deceived by this crap.

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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

by Terry in

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friends

i'm at starbucks .

just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

my hands are shaking.. wow!.

opusdei1972

Hi Terry:

You said

Every humble, honest Christian in the world sits down with the Bible and prays for the holy spirit to help them understand the truth. What do they get? They get 40,000 different denominations."

Yes, this is a consequence of the contradictions in the Bible. The Bible itself can't be the Word of God, because if ten men would want to follow it, it would result in ten different approaches.

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Watchtower Approved Blood Transfusions

by Lee Elder in

we have just published a new article at ajwrb entitled:.

watchtower approved blood transfusions.

http://ajwrb.org/watchtower-approved-blood-transfusions.

opusdei1972

The Watctower proves that The Bible is a mess: All fractions were under Scriptural ban in 1956, but in 2001 all fractions derived from the four primary components are permitted. Also, according to the Watchtower, blood transfusion is the same as fornication. So, currently, the Watchtower allows fractioned fornication.

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I know 2 of the Elders on the Ray Franz JC

by James Jackson in

when i read coc, i was stunned that the 2 elders (theotis french & rob dibble) were on ray franz judcial committee.

i have known these men for over 20 years having done rbc and convention work with them.

they are still elders today which means they were in their early 30's(which is unheard of for a case of this importance to have inexperienced elders to sit on) on this committee.. without revealing myself, i have never tried(but have wanted to), ask them about their on having to judge a former gb member.. then out of the blue, about a year ago, i was mentioning how hard it is trying to get younger ones to volunteer to one of these elders, and he says"this is nothing compared to to sitting on the committee that had to disfellowship ray franz".

opusdei1972

Poor stupid elders !!. They should admit that they no longer have their brains, because they don't think by themselves.

I spent many years believing in this bullshit. It was a waste of time.

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God Says Scripture is Enough

by Perry in

from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

opusdei1972

more than one church of the first century read The book of Enoch as Scripture. But now, most churches regard it as not inspired.

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DF'd for Blood Transfusion

by lambsbottom in

so, what is the discipline, if any for a blood transfusion?.

opusdei1972

According to the Elder's manual, if you don't show repent you will be disassociated.

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Something Big is Coming...

by notsurewheretogo in

the annual meeting of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses will be in october 2014.. .. in november 2013, just after the last one they published this now famous statement in the 15th of november 2013 watchtower page 16 paragraph 17 says:.

"at that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from jehovahs organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.".

opusdei1972

I hardly believe that the 144000 will be regarded as symbolic in this Annual Meeting. This is a core doctrine in the Watchtower Theology. I think they will wait until the overlapping generation passes.

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Ironic quote in the 5/14wt lesson "Are you moving ahead with Jehovahs Organization"

by BU2B in

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the whole article makes me ill with its worse than average mind control.. i was going to only include one quote but there are so many doozies that i will post what i feel to be the worst.. from paragraph 6.

"gods organization survives and flourishes on earth because the people who are part of it have his approval.".

the great tribulation has been "so close" for over 120 years of wt history.

opusdei1972

The Watchtower says:

For instance, our understanding of Bible truth is constantly becoming clearer. This is to be expected, for “the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.” (Prov. 4:18).......... If we are to have Jehovah’s favor and blessing as individuals, we must support his organization and accept adjustments in our understanding of the Scriptures

Currently I do not support Jehovah's organization, so I did my own adjustment in this issue. In the past I believed that Rutherford was the Channel of God, now I know he was a drunk, and the Editor of the Golden Age Magazine was more than a crackpot . I am also doing adjustments in my understanding of Scriptures. In the past, as a witness I believed in the global Flood, as told by the Genesis account. Now I don't believe that, because I now know , by scientific facts, that it could not happen. In the past I believed that the book of Daniel was written in the sixth century BC, but now I know that it was a forgery of the second century BC. So, I am doing my adjustments.... thus the "truth" of the Bible is becoming clearer to me.

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Ironic quote in the 5/14wt lesson "Are you moving ahead with Jehovahs Organization"

by BU2B in

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friends

the whole article makes me ill with its worse than average mind control.. i was going to only include one quote but there are so many doozies that i will post what i feel to be the worst.. from paragraph 6.

"gods organization survives and flourishes on earth because the people who are part of it have his approval.".

the great tribulation has been "so close" for over 120 years of wt history.

opusdei1972

God approves The Roman Catholic Church because it survives. Muslims have God's approval because they are many. God is approving atheists because they are increasing in time. So, in the same way, God also approves the Watchtower Organization. Is not Wonderful ? !!!