I can defend the translation "The Word was God" in the same way as I can defend that of the NWT. This was a great debate in the early church. This is why educated Christians like Tertullian needed to use philosophical terms to avoid Sabelianism in regarding "theos" as definite. He used the latin word "substantia" (being of essence) to do an exegesis to explain how the Son and the Father are the same God.
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Theos and theon
by SonoftheTrinity inoh how dubs will cling to da troof.
this guy was trying to get me to agree that theos and theon were different words for god.
i tried explaining that other languages have grammatical cases and the difference between calling god theos and theon was like the difference between referring to god as he(the subjective case) and him(the objective case.
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Theos and theon
by SonoftheTrinity inoh how dubs will cling to da troof.
this guy was trying to get me to agree that theos and theon were different words for god.
i tried explaining that other languages have grammatical cases and the difference between calling god theos and theon was like the difference between referring to god as he(the subjective case) and him(the objective case.
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of course, theos and theon mean the same thing: "god", however, they have different functions in a sentence, like he and him, as you pointed out. -
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Theos and theon
by SonoftheTrinity inoh how dubs will cling to da troof.
this guy was trying to get me to agree that theos and theon were different words for god.
i tried explaining that other languages have grammatical cases and the difference between calling god theos and theon was like the difference between referring to god as he(the subjective case) and him(the objective case.
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opusdei1972
Who translates it "a god" besides the WT and Johannes Greber?
No modern translation does it. However, it is not grammatically incorrect. I am not defending this translation as the true one, because no one currently knows the mind of the writer. However, as Origen noticed, many greek readers were confused, because some thought that there were two Gods or only one God in John 1:1.
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Theos and theon
by SonoftheTrinity inoh how dubs will cling to da troof.
this guy was trying to get me to agree that theos and theon were different words for god.
i tried explaining that other languages have grammatical cases and the difference between calling god theos and theon was like the difference between referring to god as he(the subjective case) and him(the objective case.
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opusdei1972
It was all in his effort to convince me that the New World Translation is superior.
Honestly, in some verses the NWT is superior, but in others it is dishonest. The English of the Old Testament of the NWT sometimes is horrible. However, there no such a thing as a superior translation. All are biased.
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Theos and theon
by SonoftheTrinity inoh how dubs will cling to da troof.
this guy was trying to get me to agree that theos and theon were different words for god.
i tried explaining that other languages have grammatical cases and the difference between calling god theos and theon was like the difference between referring to god as he(the subjective case) and him(the objective case.
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opusdei1972
I had to learn some basic Koiné Greek through online courses and books so as to understand controversial verses in the Bible. Therefore, the New World translation is not grammatically incorrect in translating John 1:1 c as "The Word was a god", because the translation depends on how you interpret the anarthrous "theos". It can be definite or indefinite. Both translations "The Word was a god" and "the Word was God" lead to theological problems. This is why its interpretation led to terrible debates from the second to the fifth century. -
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Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism: "Mock them, Ridicule them." Attack Religious People with Insults!
by MagicMItchJensen inrichard dawkins has said frequently if we don't agree with religious or spiritual people we need to "insult them!
" tell their their out of their "fucking gourds!
" and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!".
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Dawkins: "and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!"
I disagree with it. Peter Higgs believed in his theory for some decades, then CERN confirmed it. In Physics, you can't prove something unless you show it by an experiment. I think Dawkins is exaggerating his position, although he is essentially right when he criticizes religions.
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The pedophile is in better position than the apostate
by opusdei1972 ini know that in english there are better pages exposing the organization, but here i updated the page (in spanish) with an article untitled "la organizacion jehovista oculta el abuso sexual" (the jehovist organization hides sexual abuse) based on the last news on "child abuse" in australia, and quoting watchtower's articles in which you can note how in this organization, the penitent pedophiles are in better position than the "apostates" who denounce the organization's absurdities .. http://jehovismo.com/.
for instance, i quoted the watchtower 1997 jan 1 p.29, where it is said that it is permitted for the penitent pedophile to preach door to door:.
if he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress, share in the field service, even have parts in the theocratic ministry school (the watchtower, january 1, 1997).
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The following are Watchtower's words against apostates:
Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah's organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah's feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they "feel a loathing" toward those who have made themselves God's enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance." (The Watchtower, October 1, 1993)
However, we don't read such strong words against pedophiles in the Organization.
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The pedophile is in better position than the apostate
by opusdei1972 ini know that in english there are better pages exposing the organization, but here i updated the page (in spanish) with an article untitled "la organizacion jehovista oculta el abuso sexual" (the jehovist organization hides sexual abuse) based on the last news on "child abuse" in australia, and quoting watchtower's articles in which you can note how in this organization, the penitent pedophiles are in better position than the "apostates" who denounce the organization's absurdities .. http://jehovismo.com/.
for instance, i quoted the watchtower 1997 jan 1 p.29, where it is said that it is permitted for the penitent pedophile to preach door to door:.
if he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress, share in the field service, even have parts in the theocratic ministry school (the watchtower, january 1, 1997).
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I know that in English there are better pages exposing the organization, but here I updated the page (In Spanish) with an article untitled "La organización jehovista oculta el abuso sexual" (the jehovist organization hides sexual abuse) based on the last news on "Child Abuse" in Australia, and quoting Watchtower's articles in which you can note how in this Organization, the penitent pedophiles are in better position than the "apostates" who denounce the Organization's absurdities .
For instance, I quoted the Watchtower 1997 Jan 1 p.29, where it is said that it is permitted for the penitent pedophile to preach door to door:
If he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress, share in the field service, even have parts in the Theocratic Ministry School (The Watchtower, January 1, 1997)
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The Assyrian started to attack from Australia
by opusdei1972 inthe gb has been preparing the flock for the assyrian's attack, that now is starting from australia:.
elders, you can learn some helpful lessons from what we have just discussed: (1) the best thing you can do to prepare for the future attack of the assyrian is to strengthen your faith in god and help your brothers to do the same.
(2) when the assyrian attacks, you must be completely convinced that jehovah will save us.
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I wonder what will be the next attack of "the Assyrian". I would be interesting to review the tax exemptions of this cult in US. -
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The Assyrian started to attack from Australia
by opusdei1972 inthe gb has been preparing the flock for the assyrian's attack, that now is starting from australia:.
elders, you can learn some helpful lessons from what we have just discussed: (1) the best thing you can do to prepare for the future attack of the assyrian is to strengthen your faith in god and help your brothers to do the same.
(2) when the assyrian attacks, you must be completely convinced that jehovah will save us.
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The GB has been preparing the flock for the Assyrian's attack, that now is starting from Australia:
Elders, you can learn some helpful lessons from what we have just discussed: (1) The best thing you can do to prepare for the future attack of “the Assyrian” is to strengthen your faith in God and help your brothers to do the same. (2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, you must be completely convinced that Jehovah will save us. (3) At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether we agree with them or not, because obeying these instructions will save our lives.
As we see, the RC is being manipulated by the Assyrian. So, no matter how many sexual abusers can be in organization, witnesses must obey the instructions of the GB.