Posts by opusdei1972

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

opusdei1972

So you can show me facts about 607 and you can show me all the failed prophesies, and point to all those covering child abuse but it’s not going to change what I believe. What I believe has a ring of truth. Me and my family are happy where we’re at and we don’t need to investigate or research anything anymore. I met my wife in the organization, been married 15 years and she’s great. I have two great kids, have a job, home, -----what else do I need? Why would I want to disrupt that?

Ok, accordingly, stop preaching lies door by door and stop saying that your religion is the only truth. Stop disrupting people by claiming that they will be killed by Jehovah if they do not belong to your organization.

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

opusdei1972

It’s a big deal to die with a wonderful hope rather than dying believing this life is all there is.

So, this is why the organization loves to sacrifice infants by the blood ban, only to satisfy the vagaries of a Jehovah's seer: Fred Franz.

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

opusdei1972

what do you or any apostates have to offer. Do you have an answer why there is so much wickedness? Do you have a solution to stop sickness, suffering, and most of all death?

So, according to that guy, we must to follow seven stupid elders who work in NY city because they publish answers about how a mythological god will appoint them as kings over the earth for 1000 years, so as to stop suffering and sickness.

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Geoffrey Jackson - Freedome Of Religon Within Jehovah's Witnesses - VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

a summary for you guys of the rather lengthy discussion about peoples ability to leave the organisation:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpir8vjsdre&feature=youtu.be.

opusdei1972

When asked if they consider themselves the spokespersons for God, jackson says it would be quite presomptuous to say they are spokespersons of God, but they DO say they are the only channel of communication of God on earth

Many times we read in the Watchtower that they claim to be the channel of God. This governing body member is clearly lying.

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[Day 8 - 14/8]Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commissions On Child Sexual Abuse, Australia. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

the big day finally arrived!

these amazing royal commission proceedings are available on youtube :).

part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 will soon be available.. part 1:.

opusdei1972

Publications are not written or researched by the G.B.

This is a pretty LIE !!.

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Jesus The Perfect Reflection Of The Father?

by JW_Rogue in

so this week's wt study was all about jesus and the miracles he performed.

according to the study this proves that god wants to heal mankind in the same way.

because as we all know jesus is a perfect reflection of his heavenly father.

opusdei1972

Island Man: But Jesus performed cures on the sabbath. Jesus advocated breaking the rules to show compassion.

Yes, and interestingly, Marcion, in the second century, was the one who led a christian movement based on that premise.

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Jesus The Perfect Reflection Of The Father?

by JW_Rogue in

so this week's wt study was all about jesus and the miracles he performed.

according to the study this proves that god wants to heal mankind in the same way.

because as we all know jesus is a perfect reflection of his heavenly father.

opusdei1972

Here is an interesting commentary given by Bart Erhman:

According to Tertullian, Marcion took the words of Jesus found
in Luke 6:43 quite seriously: “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does
a bad tree bear good fruit, for each tree is known by its own fruit.”
Look around at this world we live in, said Marcion, this world of
poverty, starvation, disease, war, and death. What kind of God could
have created such a cesspool of misery and despair? In the Old
Testament, God himself declares, “I am the one who creates mis-
ery” (Isa. 45:7). If a tree is known by its fruits, and the Old Testament
God is one who produces misery, what does that say about God?
He is the one responsible for all human suffering. He cannot be
thought of as good.
But if there are good fruits there must also be a good God. This
according to Marcion, is the God of Jesus, who must therefore be
a different God from the one who created this evil world.

(Studies in the textual criticism of the New Testament, page 347, Bart Ehrman)

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Jesus The Perfect Reflection Of The Father?

by JW_Rogue in

so this week's wt study was all about jesus and the miracles he performed.

according to the study this proves that god wants to heal mankind in the same way.

because as we all know jesus is a perfect reflection of his heavenly father.

opusdei1972

I recommend you to read the books of Raymond Brown as "Birth of the Messiah" and also "Death of the Messiah". Brown was one of the first Catholic scholars in the United States to use the historical-critical method to study the Bible.

On the other hand, some of the books of Bart Ehrman are the following:

1)The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture: The Effect of Early Christological Controversies on the Text of the New Testament.

2)Jesus Before the Gospels: How the Earliest Christians Remembered, Changed, and Invented Their Stories of the Savior

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Jesus The Perfect Reflection Of The Father?

by JW_Rogue in

so this week's wt study was all about jesus and the miracles he performed.

according to the study this proves that god wants to heal mankind in the same way.

because as we all know jesus is a perfect reflection of his heavenly father.

opusdei1972

Caleb:

I appreciate your thoughts.

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Jesus The Perfect Reflection Of The Father?

by JW_Rogue in

so this week's wt study was all about jesus and the miracles he performed.

according to the study this proves that god wants to heal mankind in the same way.

because as we all know jesus is a perfect reflection of his heavenly father.

opusdei1972

JW_Rogue

Hi Rogue:

I accept the same general conclusions of modern scholars on textual criticism (Bart Ehrman in US, Antonio Piñero in Spain). Also, some catholic scholar priests like Raymond E. Brown, admit that the Gospels were not written by eyewitnesses of Jesus, and some narrations are not historical facts. I can show you some an example. The Gospel of Matthew could not be written by Matthew. Firstly, according to the church father Papias, who knew some disciples of the Apostles, reported that Matthew wrote the sayings of Jesus in hebrew language. However, it is clear that the Gospel that we know is in Greek, and it is not a translation from the hebrew language. Our Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Greek, and in some quotes it uses the Septuagint, which was the greek version of the Old Testament. For instance, Matthew uses the septuagint version of Isaiah 7:14 so as to "prove" a prophecy on the viriginity of Mary. However, the Hebrew Bible does not contain the word "virgin" in Isaiah 7:14. This is an example of why our Gospel of Matthew was not originally written in Hebrew. Furthermore, it can be shown that our Gospel of Matthew has based its composition on the manuscript of the Gospel of Mark. And we know that Mark was not an eyewitness, but a gentile christian. I want to show an example of this fraud:

Sometimes we see in Matthew, in the author's attempts to create a more elegant version than Mark, trips all over himself and produce a flawed version. A case to point is the story of John the Baptist's murder. Let us first look at Mark's version.

Mark 6:17-29
For Herod himself had given orders to have John arrested and put in prison. He did this because of Herodias, his brother Philip's wife, whom he had married. For John had been saying to Herod, "It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife." So Herodias nursed a grudge against John and wanted to kill him. But she was not able to, because Herod feared John and protected him, knowing him to be a righteous and holy man. When Herod heard John, he was greatly puzzled; yet he liked to listen to him. Finally the opportune time came. On his birthday, Herod gave a banquet for his high officials and military commanders and the leading men of Galilee. When the daughter of Herodias came in and danced, she pleased Herod and his dinner guests. The king said to the girl, "Ask me anything you want, and I'll give it to you." And he promised her with an oath, "Whatever you ask I will give you, up to half my kingdom." She went out and said to her mother, "What shall I ask for?" "The head of John the Baptist," she answered. At once the girl hurried in to the king with the request: "I want you to give me right now the head of John the Baptist on a platter." The king was greatly distressed, but because of his oath and his dinner guests, he did not want to refuse her. So he immediately sent an executioner with orders to bring John's head. The man went, beheaded John in prison, and brought back his head on a platter. He presented it to the girl, and she gave it to her mother. On hearing this, John's disciples came and took his body and laid it in a tomb.

Mark's account above tells of King Herod having John imprisoned because of his wife's demand. But he also respected John and liked listening to him. When Herodias' daughter demanded John's head, Herod's reaction of being "greatly distressed" makes sense, as he did not want to kill John, but in view of the situation had no choice. Now let us look at Matthew's version:

Matthew 14:3-12
Now Herod had arrested John and bound him and put him in prison because of Herodias, his brother Philip's wife, for John had been saying to him: "It is not lawful for you to have her." Herod wanted to kill John, but he was afraid of the people, because they considered him a prophet. On Herod's birthday the daughter of Herodias danced for them and pleased Herod so much that he promised her with an oath to give her whatever she asked. Prompted by her mother, she said, "Give me on a platter the head of John the Baptist." The king was distressed, but because of his oath and his dinner guests, he ordered her requests be granted and had John beheaded in prison. His head was brought on a platter and given to the girl, who carried it to her mother. John's disciples came and took his body and buried it.

As before note that Matthew's account is an abbreviated version of Mark. But we can also see that Matthew has twisted the story such that it is slightly different from Mark's. In the Markan account, Herod was presented as someone who did not want to kill John; he respected the Baptist and liked listening to him. Matthew however said that Herod wanted to kill the Baptist from the beginning but "feared the people". Matthew than reverted to Mark's account and said that Herod was "greatly distressed" when he heard the girl's request. But this does not make sense in Matthew's account for we are told that Herod wanted to kill John from the beginning. It would have made an excellent excuse to have John killed. In short, Matthew by setting out to create an improved version from Mark ended with a blunder of inconsistency.