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  What is an apostate, according to Geoffrey Jackson (GB member)

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is what i found in the transcript related to the date august 14 2015 (royal comision of australia):.

  18 q. and if they don't actively disassociate, then they 19 will be disfellowshipped as apostate?

  20 a. no, an apostate is someone who actively goes against 21 what the bible teaches.. this is a half true.

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  Indeed, in many of his answers, Geoffrey Jackson has misled the RC

  43 Q. So, for example, if they had become inactive or sought
  44 to fade without formally disassociating, and the elders
  45 came to visit and found them celebrating Christmas or
  46 a birthday, they would be found to be in transgression of
  47 the rules, would they not?

  1 A. That is not my understanding. But again, as I said,
  2 it is not my field, that goes into policy with regard to
  3 those type of things, but from my personal experience,
  4 that's not the case.

  G. Jackson said that those policies are not of his "field". So, it seems that he is the watchman of Bethel, instead of a GB member.
  
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  What is an apostate, according to Geoffrey Jackson (GB member)

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is what i found in the transcript related to the date august 14 2015 (royal comision of australia):.

  18 q. and if they don't actively disassociate, then they 19 will be disfellowshipped as apostate?

  20 a. no, an apostate is someone who actively goes against 21 what the bible teaches.. this is a half true.

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  opusdei1972

  This is what I found in the transcript related to the date August 14 2015 (Royal Comision of Australia):

  18 Q. And if they don't actively disassociate, then they
  19 will be disfellowshipped as apostate?
  20 A. No, an apostate is someone who actively goes against
  21 what the Bible teaches.

  This is a half true. Of course, the Bible does not teach that we must obey what seven men in NY publish in The Watchtower. Nevertheless, the GB says:

  “Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates.” Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock p.94
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  Transcript for Jackson is now available for download.

  by ToesUp in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  select aug 14..

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  opusdei1972

  many thanks for the information.
  
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  I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

  we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

  but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

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  So you can show me facts about 607 and you can show me all the failed prophesies, and point to all those covering child abuse but it’s not going to change what I believe. What I believe has a ring of truth. Me and my family are happy where we’re at and we don’t need to investigate or research anything anymore. I met my wife in the organization, been married 15 years and she’s great. I have two great kids, have a job, home, -----what else do I need? Why would I want to disrupt that?

  Ok, accordingly, stop preaching lies door by door and stop saying that your religion is the only truth. Stop disrupting people by claiming that they will be killed by Jehovah if they do not belong to your organization.
  

  
  
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  I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

  we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

  but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

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  It’s a big deal to die with a wonderful hope rather than dying believing this life is all there is.

  So, this is why the organization loves to sacrifice infants by the blood ban, only to satisfy the vagaries of a Jehovah's seer: Fred Franz.
  
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  I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

  we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

  but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

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  what do you or any apostates have to offer. Do you have an answer why there is so much wickedness? Do you have a solution to stop sickness, suffering, and most of all death?

  So, according to that guy, we must to follow seven stupid elders who work in NY city because they publish answers about how a mythological god will appoint them as kings over the earth for 1000 years, so as to stop suffering and sickness.
  
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  Geoffrey Jackson - Freedome Of Religon Within Jehovah's Witnesses - VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a summary for you guys of the rather lengthy discussion about peoples ability to leave the organisation:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpir8vjsdre&feature=youtu.be.

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  When asked if they consider themselves the spokespersons for God, jackson says it would be quite presomptuous to say they are spokespersons of God, but they DO say they are the only channel of communication of God on earth

  Many times we read in the Watchtower that they claim to be the channel of God. This governing body member is clearly lying.
  
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  [Day 8 - 14/8]Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commissions On Child Sexual Abuse, Australia. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the big day finally arrived!

  these amazing royal commission proceedings are available on youtube :).

  part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 will soon be available.. part 1:.

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  Publications are not written or researched by the G.B.

  This is a pretty LIE !!.
  
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  Jesus The Perfect Reflection Of The Father?

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so this week's wt study was all about jesus and the miracles he performed.

  according to the study this proves that god wants to heal mankind in the same way.

  because as we all know jesus is a perfect reflection of his heavenly father.

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  Island Man: But Jesus performed cures on the sabbath. Jesus advocated breaking the rules to show compassion.

  Yes, and interestingly, Marcion, in the second century, was the one who led a christian movement based on that premise.
  
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  Jesus The Perfect Reflection Of The Father?

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so this week's wt study was all about jesus and the miracles he performed.

  according to the study this proves that god wants to heal mankind in the same way.

  because as we all know jesus is a perfect reflection of his heavenly father.

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  opusdei1972

  Here is an interesting commentary given by Bart Erhman:

  
  

  According to Tertullian, Marcion took the words of Jesus found
  in Luke 6:43 quite seriously: “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does
  a bad tree bear good fruit, for each tree is known by its own fruit.”
  Look around at this world we live in, said Marcion, this world of
  poverty, starvation, disease, war, and death. What kind of God could
  have created such a cesspool of misery and despair? In the Old
  Testament, God himself declares, “I am the one who creates mis-
  ery” (Isa. 45:7). If a tree is known by its fruits, and the Old Testament
  God is one who produces misery, what does that say about God?
  He is the one responsible for all human suffering. He cannot be
  thought of as good.
  But if there are good fruits there must also be a good God. This
  according to Marcion, is the God of Jesus, who must therefore be
  a different God from the one who created this evil world.

  (Studies in the textual criticism of the New Testament, page 347, Bart Ehrman)