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  Did Jesus really die on a cross?

  by macys in

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  being raised a catholic we had lots of crosses around the house.

  when my family converted to this cult they were all removed and destroyed in case they had demons in them lol but at this juncture in my life i do not even know if jesus as the way he is portrayed in the bible was real.

  yes a man named jesus did live and die 2000 years ago and probably on a cross but he was definitely not the son of god.

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  Most of the church fathers of the first three centuries agree that Jesus died on a T-shaped cross. Of course, some centuries before Christ, in times of Homer, the greek word stauros, used in the New Testament, mainly meant "a simple pole". However, it improved its meaning to include a T-shape and a X-shape form. The Watchtower Society wants to hide this fact, and only quotes the portions of the dictionaries when they make reference to the ancient meaning of the word.....And of course, it is possible that Jesus died on a simple pole, because the romans used this simple form when there were not sufficient stakes. But no one knows if that was the case, so we have no argument to distrust the tradition. Nevertheless, the Watchtower insists dishonestly that Jesus did not die on a cross, as if they were there before Jesus.
  
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  The canonised Old Testament is no different from the Apocrypha except with more scary fables and mythology

  by fukitol in

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  the apocryphal books are accepted by catholics in their douay version as inspired of god, but rejected by the rest of christianity?.

  why?.

  when you examine the reasons for and against acceptance of the apocrypha as divinely inspired or not, it dawns on you that the traditionally accepted 39 books of the hebrew scriptures are nothing but the same sort of stuff as the more recent apocryphal books are, with the only difference being that the 39 much older ot books contain a lot more scary stories, fables and mythology invented by the ancient jewish priesthood to frighten their followers into fear and obedience and continued giving of meat sacrifices for the priests to eat.. ultimately, the ot can be summarised as nothing but a mixture of relatively accurate historical jewish war histories and genealogies, such as the aprocrypha is, mingled with scary stories made up by the ancient jewish priests and scribes..

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  As mentioned before, books like Wisdom of Solomon, were quoted by early Christians. Even the canonical book of Jude quotes the book of Enoch. So, how could a canonical inspired book quote an uninspired book as it were inspired??. Of course, the Book of Enoch contains many fantasies, but the same happens with the canonical books. So, there is no such a thing as "divine books".
  
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  THE WATCHTOWER (STUDY EDITION) JANUARY 2016

  by wifibandit in

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  pdf .

  this issue contains the study articles for february 29 to april 3, 2016.. what about the number of those partaking at the memorial?12, 13. why should we not worry about the number of those who eat the bread and drink the wine at the memorial?12 in recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the memorial of christs death.

  that trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades.

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  Others may have mental or emotional problems that lead them to believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven.

  Of course, why not all the members of the governing body too !.
  
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  The new changes is a clear indication that we are one step closer to the end...

  by RobertT18 in

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  that was today's topic over a group chat of my cong's young jbots.

  apparently the rumors are circulating everywhere i go, even people from the spanish congs are talking about it.

  what's really sad is that the majority of people are already seeing this as "clear" signs of the end coming.

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  Yes, these changes excite them, because they think the END must be imminent, so some naive ones will sacrifice their jobs, college, so as to serve more. However, the time will pass, then they will notice that the END is always close, but then they will be old people, without a retirement pension.
  
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  "Raymond Franz: You did not go to heaven"

  by opusdei1972 in

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  that was the title that i found in a blog.

  this blog belongs to a witness apologist.

  indeed, i was shocked on account of the arrogancy.

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  No matter if heaven exists or not, the point is that Witnesses think that they have a superior theology ignoring that they even ignore the Bible itself.
  
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  "Raymond Franz: You did not go to heaven"

  by opusdei1972 in

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  that was the title that i found in a blog.

  this blog belongs to a witness apologist.

  indeed, i was shocked on account of the arrogancy.

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  Magnum : This witness apologist even ignores that the Watchtower has been treating for many decades to hide the fact that the great crowd is seen in heaven.

  In the beginning, the Watchtower said that the great crowd was seen in courtyard of the gentiles of the temple. But this statement is clearly dishonest, because the sanctuary (NAOS), where the great crowd is seen in Rev 7:15, can't represent a courtyard, because the sanctuary was the inner place of the temple only for priests. This fact already destroys the Watchtower's argument that ony the 144000 are priests. So, in 2002 year, the Watchtower had to invent a "new light", admitting that the great crowd can't be in the courtyard:

  In times past, it has been said that the great crowd is in a spiritual equivalent, or an antitype, of the Court of the Gentiles that existed in Jesus’ day. However, further research has revealed at least five reasons why that is not so. (w02 5/1, "Question for readers")

  So, the Watchtower, in the same article had to place the John's vision of the temple, not related to the Herod's temple, but in the Solomon temple. However, for the Solomon's temple, the Septuagint used the greek word NAOS for the HEKAL (read 2 Chr 3:17), which was the inner place of the temple only for jews. Were not the 144000 the only spiritual christian jews according to the Watchtower teaching?. Furthermore, in Psalm 11:4 the Septuagint reads "The Lord is in his holy NAOS, in heaven is his throne". So, it is clear that the NAOS of God in Rev 7:15 is in heaven, so the Watchtower's argument does not work.
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  "Raymond Franz: You did not go to heaven"

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that was the title that i found in a blog.

  this blog belongs to a witness apologist.

  indeed, i was shocked on account of the arrogancy.

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  That was the title that I found in a blog. This blog belongs to a Witness Apologist. Indeed, I was shocked on account of the arrogancy. So, I started the discussion by asking him: "Have you been in Heaven, so you did not see him?". Then the apologist argued that Ray lost his position in the 144000 group on account of his apostasy. So I asked him: "where do you find in the NT that only 144000 go to heaven?". He answered that in the Bible it is clear that the great crowd and the 144000 have different destinies. Accordingly, I showed the following verse for the great crowd:

  That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. (Rev 7:15, NWT)

  Note that the NWT translated the greek word NAOS by temple, however, note how the NWT translated the same greek word in the following verse:

  
  
  "And the temple sanctuary of God in heaven was opened....." (Rev 11:19, NWT)

  So, the NWT committee knew that the greek word NAOS does not mean merely "temple", but, in the context of the Jerusalem temple, it was the sanctuary, where only priests can enter. Also, in this context, the NAOS of God is his heavenly habitation. For this fact, when we read in Revelation 7:15 that the great crowd is the NAOS of God, we clearly understand that they are in heaven. However, the Watchtower Society teaches that the great crowd is seen on earth in Revelation 7:15. This is of course a lie, and this is why the NWT did not want to translate NAOS by sanctuary in Revelation 7:15.

  So what was the answer of this Witness Apologist before this clear proof?. He said: "you are a quack, because even the teachers of Greek do not understand well Koiné Greek, so your argument does not prove that the great crowd is a heavenly class. If you want to go to heaven, you will be disappointed. "

  The fact is that I did not say that I want to go to heaven, I only wanted to show to this stupid witness that the book of Revelation does not teach what the Watchtower teaches.
  
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  THE SAD BALLAD OF HAYDEN C. COVINGTON (Attorney of record for the Watchtower Organization)

  by Terry in

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  ali did not serve even five minutes of time in prison and that had zero to do with hayden c. covington..

  june 19, 1967 in houston, tex..

  there are a number of salient facts concerning this man who possessed a big reputation..

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  I would like to read your book Terry, ..sadly, I can't buy it in South America, but if I could get a digital version, it would be great.
  
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  The Governing Body and "Josephs generation"

  by The freewheeling in

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  hi, i m new here and not so good in english, but ive give it a try and hope you understand.. .

  the whole idea of the overlapped generation is not only illogical, there are also serious errors in reasoning and how to interpret the scripture.. .

  the only "scriptural argument" that the governing body has managed to bring in this matter is exodus 1: 6 where they say that a "generation" can be stretched to cover a longer period than usually meant by a "generation".

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  Jesus said "this generation". It clearly means, his first century contemporaries. For instance, let's read the following verse:

  "You unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied, "how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you?....(Matthew 17:17)

  Here we also clearly understand what Jesus meant by "generation", but Witnesses want to read

  "You unbelieving and perverse overlapped Fred Franz generation , how long shall I stay with you?"
  
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  That's it! The Jesus stories are most reasonably explained as myth. History makes this obvious.

  by Island Man in

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  2. bible

  a careful examination of the historical pagan religious context existing at the time of the genesis of christianity leads any reasonable person to conclude that jesus is just another one of several similar myths.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7teoa9ark.

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  OverlappingGeneralizations 29 minutes ago

  In the back of my mind, I always wondered:

  I have worked with several schizophrenics, and some believe they are the son of god, or are being talked to by god directly. What if Jesus was just a convincing schizophrenic?

  Of course, if he said things like "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me", he was a schizophrenic. But most probably be he did not say such a thing, and those words were written by people who did not know him.