The difference is striking. He's clearly trying his best to give absolute full disclosure of what he remembers and knows. He perhaps hasn't joined the dots on why elders wouldn't do this now. But still "I don't want to diminish our responsibility [for not looking into abuse when looking to reinstate abuser]". The serving elders can't even contemplate they did anything wrong.
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Royal Commission live streamingstarting soon!
by possum inaugust.
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Royal Commission live streamingstarting soon!
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Monty Baker's counsel just nailing them on the 'why aren't you reading statements by df'd people including victims?'. Elder falls back to 'didn't occur to me, personal choice'. Curious pattern indeed. -
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Questioned by BCG's counsel on how he can offer support to someone who he doesn't believe enough to take action for. The elder can't see the point being made and does the 'Jehovah sees all' thing. -
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He's deliberately being evasive and McClellan's picked him up on not answering the question. I know there's a charitable view of this, but I'm more inclined to think this is deliberate. The phrasing is too careful, too ambiguous. -
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Super question from BCG's counsel. Outside of what parents tell children, there is nothing to guide children how to handle something like abuse from a parent. This idiot has just missed the point with mentioning the new Caleb and Sophia video. Which does nothing of the sort. -
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by KateWild ini have been visiting and commenting on jwn on my phone and have had a lot of success.
the only thing is a couple of times i have hit the like or dislike button and can undo it.. simon could you add a way to help us uncheck a mistake..... i am not too concerned about the like button as much a the dislike....i wouldn't want to discourage any posters .
kate xx .
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by possum inhi, i am possum and have been posting for a short time just thought i would introduce myself with much trepidation.
i am a third generation ex witness.
grandparents originally lured into cult in 1920 after the death of a precious child.
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Sorry possum, the dislike on that last post was because I'm using phone and it should have been a 'like' (fat thumbs here). I'm so sorry you and your's went through so much inside that vile cult. I hope the commission has treated you kindly and that there will be some redress for you as you heal. Good luck with your university course. -
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Jehovah's Witnesses "Handling Child Abuse Matters" flowchart
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The letter signed by W.M Lloyd to be associated with this is pretty dynamite. It queries a number of instructions from Brooklyn which would seem to have been intended to try and reduce the amount of co-operation elders would give to the police in Australian states with mandated reporting. (Letter is WAT.0004.001.0014 and dated 29th October 1997).
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"Secondly, we are not sure why only a simple statement [recording someone as a 'known' abuser] should be placed in the file. If the matter is to be reported, it is quite likely that the elders will later be called to testify when it is brought to court. If that happens, then would it not be better to have a complete record on file of the contents of the statement made to the authorities? Is there any reason that we have overlooked for not having a complete record of the statement given on file?"
This isn't negligence, this is deliberate.
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Jehovah's Witnesses "Handling Child Abuse Matters" flowchart
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The document id for the file is in the top right hand corner. (WAT.0012.001.0013) It's dated 29 October 1997, and has some related notes with it.
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Just look where they think reporting child abuse to the police is appropriate. These utter morons will send two elders to ask whether someone who has been accused of a serious crime would like to confess, and then report to the authorities. If two or three witnesses go to them, they'll report it and then go and tell the person accused that they've reported them to the police.
It would be humorous if it weren't such a recipe for very serious consequences.