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  Mephis

  Below find information coming directly from a representative of the Charity Commission in answer to the question about mandatory reporting in the UK and should for all practical purposes be recognized as an expert's reply.

  Aye. The debate in Britain has been around if and how far to criminalise a failure to report rather than a need to discuss whether it should happen. Hopefully Goddard and McClellan will help provide some guidance towards what would work best in a British context, especially with groups who refuse to recognise their duty to protect children. I would personally welcome further strengthening measures on corporate responsibility to ensure adequate policies are in place. Tired of seeing those who make the decisions sit back and disclaim responsibility for their actions whilst survivors have to fight through civil courts to get restitution.
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  by Sugar Shane in

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Mephis

  I'll go with option 'you're a troll' and listen to Jeb. You've been very clearly answered sufficient times. And the same answer applies to JWs too. Just so's you don't get too excited about it being different. :)
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

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  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Mephis

  Let me rephrase it for you one last time then. Anglican priests, in common with everyone else in Britain apart from social workers and the police, are not mandated by law to report. However focusing solely on the legislation here in Britain is kind of dumb because our society does not work solely from what gets written on vellum.
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Mephis

  I'll repeat the answer for you again. The only people in Britain mandated by law to report are the police and social workers. But reducing the question to that in Britain is bordering on the cretinously simple. Our system is not the same as the one in the USA.
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Mephis

  I don't understand the question.(ah edit ok) Let me explain how it works here.

  There are currently few professions in Britain who are legally (as in written into law) required to report. Police and social workers and... I can't recall off top of my head. But few. People like teachers aren't legally required to report. But people like teachers have professional bodies who regulate them who demand that they report or they can face professional sanctions if they are discovered not to have reported.

  Away from that we allow religions to claim huge tax subsidies by accepting that they are charities. Because they are charities, they are expected to follow a basic set of ethical standards set out by the Charity Commission. That does include letting the Charity Commission know about serious crimes, it also involves having adequate child safeguarding policies. So JWs, like every other religion claiming charitable status, falls under those regulations.

  So we have a very different system here to the one in other common law countries. For the moment. We have a big judicial inquiry under way called the Goddard Inquiry. What comes out of that will shape child safeguarding for a long time in this country. As will ARC's findings placed alongside it. But that's for the future.

  Hope that's a clear enough potted history. You only got it because Kasich is boring me.
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Mephis

  I'd say you're welcome Fisherman, but you're randomly generating your own facts without any regard to reality so nothing to do with me :)

  Now you've edited that post, it makes no sense whatsoever btw Fisherman. Just sayin'. But yes, I'd agree JWs should, the Anglicans should, the Catholics should... do I need to list every religious group in Britain or can we just skip to "if you have a duty of care or are in a position of trust, you should report abuse to appropriate agencies". It's really simple. In fact, adequate child safeguarding policies are part of the deal for receiving tax payer subsidy here.
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  less than an hour old:.

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Mephis

  You realise that exemptions for clergy/penitent privilege don't come free with a box of cheerios right? That what counts and what doesn't is written in the legislation? That some states even in the US don't even recognise it?: Others recognise it only in some circumstances? That it doesn't even exist in some jurisdictions as a concept?

  As for the second part to your increasingly bizarre post. The idea is that the priest would not be able to grant absolution until they did know it had been done. If only there were a communication device the priest could use and hand to the abuser...

  UK law has few professions legally required to report. Priests aren't currently among them. But the priest is also free to report himself/herself in the case you describe.

  Odd few posts Fisherman. Sorry but I've more interesting things to do now. Take care. Remember to read carefully! Not sure anything can help the understanding deficit you're displaying though :)
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  by Sugar Shane in

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  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Mephis

  Please explain so that I can understand what you mean.

  I'll try rephrasing my whole post there (in context and including the part you didn't quote).

  "What you've described would pass most legal tests for a clergy/penitent exemption, if that's what you mean by 'should'.
  If you mean my own personal view, a better way to preserve a clergy/penitent exemption would be something similar to the Anglican idea where absolution is refused unless the penitent reports himself/herself to the police. Which means the priest knows that the report has been made."
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  by Sugar Shane in

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  Mephis

  You've not understood the sentence Fisherman. Clearly. Enjoy your evening. It's fairly clear that your arguments are based on basic misunderstandings such as you've attempted on a simple sentence like that.
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  by Sugar Shane in

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  2. child-abuse

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  Mephis

  Fisherman. Read the first clause of the sentence you're quoting. "In terms of current law...".

  Just by the by, it wouldn't be respected in places like Guam, West Virginia and New Hampshire, because they have chosen to disallow such privilege for child abuse reporting laws.