"What material have you had access to when forming your opinion?"
"The Jehovah's Witnesses publish much of their information online, so I referred to that."
Mephis
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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!
by LostGeneration inhttps://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
anyone know who this monty baker is?
i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".
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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!
by LostGeneration inhttps://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
anyone know who this monty baker is?
i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".
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And if she doesn't mention a safe environment to report abuse in her report, what sort of expert is she... -
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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!
by LostGeneration inhttps://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
anyone know who this monty baker is?
i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".
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Mephis
"Have you ever given evidence critical of the Jehovah's Witnesses?"
"I've not been hired for that".
Expert witness?
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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!
by LostGeneration inhttps://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
anyone know who this monty baker is?
i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".
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Mephis
Getting strong impression that this woman has skimmed the WT policy documents with no knowledge of how they're applied (in reality) nor the culture of what it's like within a closed mindset cult. Be interesting to see her report. -
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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!
by LostGeneration inhttps://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
anyone know who this monty baker is?
i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".
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Mephis
Hmmm. Her qualifications... -
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In Shocking Testimony, Jehovah’s Witnesses Reveal They Feel No Need to Protect a Child From a Pedophile
by OrphanCrow inarticle from jwvictims.org:.
http://jwvictims.org/2015/07/30/in-shocking-testimony-jehovahs-witnesses-reveal-they-feel-no-need-to-protect-a-child-from-a-pedophile/.
in shocking testimony, jehovahs witnesses reveal they feel no need to protect a child from a pedophiletoday, many former jehovahs witnesses are clinging to every word said during the australian royal commissions inquiry into institutional responses to child sex abuse.
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Mephis
Watching that clip I wondered again how many close friends that elder has outside the congregation, and why he felt the need to clarify 'if I associated with them'. -
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Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?
by Wasanelder Once inare you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?
do you feel personally vindicated by it?
do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
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Mephis
@OrphanCrow - I'm not expressing support for their processes, but pointing out how easy it could be for them to amend the ones they do use. Because, quite bluntly, there are few states which are going to force a religion to shut down their internal procedures for determining membership.
Perhaps also I should mention, I live in a country where, if there is a 'public interest' in the elders testifying, they can go to jail if they're so sure that a judicial committee entitles them not to testify when requested. Personally, I think they could use the evidence provided in court for serious crimes and shut down CSI JDub. Ideally, the whole thing needs shutting down, but that's not going to happen.
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A few facts to ponder
by Nitty-Gritty ini have been in correspondence recently with silentambs and a few interesting things have been highlighted.
some of you may know, that bill bowen has twice tried to get the fbi involved in investigating child molestation issues in the jws org.
this is what he said to me, i quote: we have reported to the fbi on two occasions and were rebuffed due to them not wishing to get involved with a religion.
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Mephis
Nitty Gritty, I'd have thought you'd need to consult your constitution and case law for an answer, unless that was your point - that unscrupulous individuals will hide behind that and it will need some political willpower Stateside to address institutional issues within religions? The Australian Commission is unlikely to be the first. Charity regulator here in Britain, and also the prospect of a similar process to the Australian one too coming up. Bill Bowen has it right. And had it right all those years ago. -
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A few facts to ponder
by Nitty-Gritty ini have been in correspondence recently with silentambs and a few interesting things have been highlighted.
some of you may know, that bill bowen has twice tried to get the fbi involved in investigating child molestation issues in the jws org.
this is what he said to me, i quote: we have reported to the fbi on two occasions and were rebuffed due to them not wishing to get involved with a religion.
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Mephis
Can I just check what you're asking? You're asking why the FBI in the States doesn't want to enter the situation where they are forced to fight a religion for access to their documents in order to highlight institutional failure and civil negligence when their remit to fight crime can be met by focusing on individual offenders? Is that the question? -
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Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?
by Wasanelder Once inare you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?
do you feel personally vindicated by it?
do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
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Mephis
They'll shift to meet legislation. That may be the option for some countries, and it may even be something you guys in the States can do too. Mandated reporting, no ifs, no buts, do not pass Go, contact the Police or go directly to jail.
But the whole process and procedure of their internal judicial structure... they're still hauling people in front of judicial committees to face their abusers in spite of said abusers just being out of prison for those very offences. They need to broaden their evidence requirements. They can do this easily. Their internal letters show that they can re-write the meaning of a word when it suits their needs.
I mean really you'd expect them to introduce training around child safeguarding issues for elders, you'd expect a clear policy for how someone could report, you'd expect some basic organisational 101 stuff to be going on. But they have to accept first that they have a responsibility. That they have a duty. That saying 'but we warn parents...' is not sufficient on its own.