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  Two interesting places in the Bible, Bethel and Megiddo.

  by Crazyguy in

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  first if one looks into the place bethel this is where the king of israel sets up golden calves and tells his people here is your god's go here and to dan to worship.

  he didn't want his people going all the way down to jerusalem.

  he also made his own priests again to take worship away from jerusalem and it's priests the levites.

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  Mephis

  Bethel. House of God or House of El. What's in a name? ;)
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  BBC Radio 4. 14th February 2016. ''Sunday'' program with article on Witnesses and child abuse.

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  the sunday programme investigates allegations that the jehovah's witness ordered the destruction of documents that could be used during the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse.

  was this in contravention of section 21 of the inquiries act 2005 which is punishable by imprisonment?.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0709v34.

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  As Joshua Rosenburg ( a big hitter in the U.K legal world) pointed out, these guys have not even studied the Data Protection Act that they are trying to hide behind, and seem not to be aware of a later Act that trumps the DPA and makes it a Criminal Offence if Elders have destroyed evidence.

  Rosenburg misunderstood the intent. It's the right of the individual to obtain information under the Data Protection Act which is the reason behind the destruction of files/notes etc, not a misguided belief they are obligated to destroy data.
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  BBC Radio 4. 14th February 2016. ''Sunday'' program with article on Witnesses and child abuse.

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the sunday programme investigates allegations that the jehovah's witness ordered the destruction of documents that could be used during the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse.

  was this in contravention of section 21 of the inquiries act 2005 which is punishable by imprisonment?.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0709v34.

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  Letters are here. But no names given for who received.

  https://www.iicsa.org.uk/news/chair-of-the-inquiry-issues-guidance-on-destruction-of-documents
  
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  BBC Radio 4. 14th February 2016. ''Sunday'' program with article on Witnesses and child abuse.

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the sunday programme investigates allegations that the jehovah's witness ordered the destruction of documents that could be used during the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse.

  was this in contravention of section 21 of the inquiries act 2005 which is punishable by imprisonment?.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0709v34.

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  243 institutions received letters. But regardless of receiving a letter, all institutions will be held accountable for destruction or tampering of evidence. Erm. Yeah. They're in trouble. Big trouble. Is the inhouse solicitor in London internally trained then? >_>

  Justice Goddard added "No institution – whether they have received a letter or not – can be in any doubt of the extent of their duty to preserve records for the Inquiry, or of the consequences of failing to do so." We [solicitors writing this] would advise institutions to take immediate steps to prevent the destruction of any files or data relating to children in their care or the staff who looked after them, and for the time being to suspend any routine destruction of such files under data protection legislation

  http://www.farrer.co.uk/Global/Briefings/Independent%20Inquiry%20into%20Child%20Sexual%20Abuse.pdf
  
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  BBC Radio 4. 14th February 2016. ''Sunday'' program with article on Witnesses and child abuse.

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the sunday programme investigates allegations that the jehovah's witness ordered the destruction of documents that could be used during the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse.

  was this in contravention of section 21 of the inquiries act 2005 which is punishable by imprisonment?.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0709v34.

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  Who was informed of the order? If it was IBSA House, then it's on IBSA House.

  Keep in mind too that the period is from the order (June?) until December. So that's the period. There is unlikely to be a great deal of incriminating evidence. But it does draw attention to their desire to remove all evidence or not provide as much help as they could do. As does the longstanding annual rite of burning all notes, the consistent refusal to assist criminal investigations, the current battle with the Charity Commission, etc.
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  Jehovah or Jesus: Who Is To Come?

  by Cold Steel in

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  one thing i've never understood about jw eschatology is how it views armageddon and the end times.

  the leaders and writers have evolved in their understanding of what's supposed to happen in the timeline.

  below are bible scriptures relating to biblical armageddon.

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  Even so, the apostle John seems to close the gap on that, especially in Revelation.

  Yeah, but even within Christianity, certainly within the Anglican communion, there's a lot of questions over some of the assumptions present in just that short sentence. I doubt it would even occur to you to question them. That's fundamentally going to be the gulf between your interpretation of scripture and JWs' too. It would be the same sort of response as if you tried to explain Yahweh being Jesus to a Gnostic. They'd think you were slightly dotty and terribly deluded. And vice versa. :) How it goes, isn't it?
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  Jehovah or Jesus: Who Is To Come?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one thing i've never understood about jw eschatology is how it views armageddon and the end times.

  the leaders and writers have evolved in their understanding of what's supposed to happen in the timeline.

  below are bible scriptures relating to biblical armageddon.

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  To be fair, the reverse holds true that Trinitarians won't seriously consider the idea that Jesus wasn't God. It's one of those where a non-believer like me wants to call time out and point out that everyone's right because the NT has books in it which seem to express both ideas. And then both sides get annoyed with me instead for not seeing how the NT is like a cryptic crossword for believers to see nuanced meanings, so I'll settle for just stocking up on popcorn instead. Proverbs had it right. :D
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  Jehovah or Jesus: Who Is To Come?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one thing i've never understood about jw eschatology is how it views armageddon and the end times.

  the leaders and writers have evolved in their understanding of what's supposed to happen in the timeline.

  below are bible scriptures relating to biblical armageddon.

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  Mephis

  The problem with apocalyptic prophecies is that you can make them fit just about anything you please.

  The simple JW resolution to your argument (and I'm not saying this is or isn't or indicating agreement in any direction) would be "Well even if it says Jehovah, it just means he's behind it. Let me find another verse from Revelation to show you that you have to read the bible as a whole inerrant and literal book, apart from the bits which we've decided aren't."

  My understanding of JW belief, certainly so when I was in, was that it was Jesus doing the Armageddon thing. He's the one leading the cavalry charge at the end of My Book of Bible Stories. ;)
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  Two Jehovah's Witnesses congregations abolished by courts - Russia

  by OrphanCrow in

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  two jehovah's witnesses congregations abolished by courts.

  today, 11 february 2016, an administrative lawsuit by the prosecutor of belgorod province for finding the local religious organization of jehovah's witnesses in the city of belgorod to be extremist and liquidated was granted by decision of the belgorod provincial court.

  yesterday the provincial court issued a decision on the administrative lawsuit of the provincial prosecutor for liquidation of the local religious organizations of jehovah's witnesses in the city of stary oskol.. the above quote is from one of 5 articles at link.. the fourth article, doctors in court: "jehovah's witnesses died after refusing blood transfusions", gives a synopsis of the hearing in the belgorod provincial court on feb 8.. two doctors were summoned into court as witnesses in order to learn whether religious convictions have affected the state of health of jehovist patients and whether they could be the cause of the death of patients.

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  Mephis

  That's from 2000 OC. It's a different law. "criminal liability under Article 307 of the Criminal Code"

  
  The law for the case in your OP is the one discussed in the link I provided. From the link you gave in the OP.

  "In the trial the prosecutor's office presented to the court evidence containing information about violations committed by the organizations connected with the distribution of materials of extremist contents (promoting the superiority or inferiority of a person on the basis of religious affiliation or attitude toward religion) and other violations for which the federal law "On combating extremist activity" provides accountability."

  Definitely out now, and much respect to you as ever in spite of differences of view on this.

  
  
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  Two Jehovah's Witnesses congregations abolished by courts - Russia

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  two jehovah's witnesses congregations abolished by courts.

  today, 11 february 2016, an administrative lawsuit by the prosecutor of belgorod province for finding the local religious organization of jehovah's witnesses in the city of belgorod to be extremist and liquidated was granted by decision of the belgorod provincial court.

  yesterday the provincial court issued a decision on the administrative lawsuit of the provincial prosecutor for liquidation of the local religious organizations of jehovah's witnesses in the city of stary oskol.. the above quote is from one of 5 articles at link.. the fourth article, doctors in court: "jehovah's witnesses died after refusing blood transfusions", gives a synopsis of the hearing in the belgorod provincial court on feb 8.. two doctors were summoned into court as witnesses in order to learn whether religious convictions have affected the state of health of jehovist patients and whether they could be the cause of the death of patients.

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  @OC -

  It is the root cause of it OC. It is non-Orthodox religions which are targeted by the Extremist laws for teaching 'superiority of belief' in a country where the Orthodox church is protected by law to the extent that they keep trying to change the constitution to codify it even further. But my last response on this one. Have a good weekend :)

  https://www.loc.gov/law/help/fighting-extremism/russia.php