How do creationists explain virtual particles with reference to their unique understanding of the second law of thermodynamics these days? Is it still silence and a quick change of subject? Or how about the fun part where invoking the second law means you're making God die? Just curious.
Mephis
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Mephis
Then where are the beginnings which we can observe today that do not have a cause or a causer?
I want nothing to do with your strawman 'causes' argument Perry. Take it in a field, stick a hat on it and call it Worzel. I'd say that the universe is jam packed full of things which do not have a causer behind them. You could easily disprove me by providing evidence there was one. The standard of evidence required to do that would win you a Nobel Prize, so looking forward to it. :)
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Mephis
Why don't we see things beginning now without causes? If they are unnecessary for beginnings, we should be able to see many examples of this.
You'd have to find another believer in God to ask Perry. I was talking of a causer, you want to talk about causes. They're not the same thing, no matter how much you'd like them to be.
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Mephis
Doesn't imply a Causer? What kind of a beginning doesn't have a cause?
Causer. That something begins doesn't imply a causer. Otherwise you'd have to have a God for God ad infinitum, wouldn't you?
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Mephis
Only the universe having a beginning isn't news. The problem is more whether the concept of 'before a beginning' is even useful, and it certainly doesn't imply a 'causer'.
Here's a simple truth. To perform an action, any action, takes time - no matter how brief a moment or how long. Linear time began with the big bang so far as our physics allows us to tell currently. So how is an action performed in the absence of time? No matter where one inserts it into the process, 'God magic' will never be a useful answer.
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Are the anointed really "lovely people"?
by purrpurr ini've personally never met any of those who claim to be anointed but the other jw's who have are always unanimous in their praise of how lovely and what wonderful people they are.
and i don't mean the gb i mean common or garden anointed.
i was told that when they speak about being in heaven that they almost "seem to glow".. is this right?
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Mephis
Knew a few when inside. All women. Just elderly women like any other randomly picked group of elderly women. Some nice, some a lot less so. The only common factor was that for some reason they thought they were going to heaven and ate crunchy bread and drank wine once a year while everyone else looked on.
One of them was a wee bit kooky and had her own personal guardian angel who went on the ministry with her. If I'd been old enough I'd have asked what his name was.
But then that's not considered kooky at all at some congregations I guess.
One was much younger who woke up one day to discover she was anointed. For her it seemed like it was a power trip thing. At the time I wasn't impressed. Perhaps a little more understanding of why it would appeal looking back with hindsight. Although even allowing for that she was still an utter ass who thought it gave her free license to be rude to people.
So no, no 'glow'. People tended to defer a bit, but that wasn't from anything they were doing other than claiming to be anointed.
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Germany start a comission against child-abuse
by crazy_flickering_light inif you live in germany, please share your story.
if not, please spread this link.
i'm so sorry, this is my first topic.
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Want to have your entire concept of 'history, time and civilization' challenged?
by kairos inplease spend a couple hours and get yourself familiar with the ancient structures at petra.. we live in a civilization of deceit.it's becoming harder to sort fact from fiction as i keep looking behind all of the curtains..
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Mephis
Did you want me to debunk it segment by segment? I thought you said you'd spent hours researching this?
We have a fair idea of how good ancient people were with latitude and longitude. What your man there wants us to believe is that the Egyptians could accurately place a pyramid to a particular latitude which then reflects the speed of light.
Let's see how accurate the Egyptians were.
First off let's ditch the speed of light thing. That's in metres. The Egyptians used a cubit. I'm not sure what the speed of light is in cubits but it ain't going to match the google map latitude. Not sure they used a decimal point either, but happy to be corrected if they did.
Best I can get for comparison of latitude is the old system of degrees and minutes. If we use Ptolemy's Geography just as an example. He's consistently about 20 minutes out with his latitude and he's building on many centuries of work after the Great Pyramid had been built. Great Pyramid is 29 degrees and 58 minutes. So twenty minutes from that is 29 degrees and 38 minutes. Which would mean even if they'd used this number (which they clearly couldn't have been doing), they'd have put the Pyramid in a different place.
So, yeah, an example of trying very hard to fit a number to another number and proclaim 'I've discovered something' but in the process abandoning common sense, historical accuracy and any claim to having a critically valid method of formulating a theory.
Was that what you were looking for?
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Want to have your entire concept of 'history, time and civilization' challenged?
by kairos inplease spend a couple hours and get yourself familiar with the ancient structures at petra.. we live in a civilization of deceit.it's becoming harder to sort fact from fiction as i keep looking behind all of the curtains..
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Mephis
I'm suggesting the math is accurate.
Watch the 12:00 segment on Giza:I got to the part where he listed the grandmasters of Sion before dissolving into laughter. The chap doing it is either pranking people or is an idiot. The Sion stuff was a hoax (Helpful hint: Pentard + Pelat Affair for when Pentard admitted he'd fabricated it all). Just let that sink in. The guy who is doing this is citing a hoax as fact. I think we can spot why Dan Brown was listed as opening the doors of his perception in the earlier video you quoted. But let's get on.
He then starts to discuss the measurements of the great pyramid. Greaves did in fact think that the (English) foot was the unit of measurement used by the ancient Egyptians. Sadly Greaves was wrong as 5 seconds research would show. Does this perturb our intrepid seeker of truth on Youtube? Oh no, Greaves was right. Why? Because clearly when data doesn't fit theory, data is wrong. (Helpful hint: look up 'cubit')
So I'm 2 minutes into a 12 minute video. Both points so far made are wrong. Another 10 minutes of this is 10 minutes too long. Sorry for not watching it all. As I said, I have read most of the source material he listed. That's guff too.
Sorry Kairos, it's tosh. Apply some critical thinking to this, do a little research yourself to see if what this chap is saying is actually correct or whether he's pulling it out of his posterior based on the pseudo-histories he's dug up from the 'Atlantis and other crackpot theories' section of the internet.
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Want to have your entire concept of 'history, time and civilization' challenged?
by kairos inplease spend a couple hours and get yourself familiar with the ancient structures at petra.. we live in a civilization of deceit.it's becoming harder to sort fact from fiction as i keep looking behind all of the curtains..
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Mephis
I'm suggesting that video is as much fun and as accurate as anything else which could plausibly appear on Ancient Aliens, yeah.
I also don't think the measurements of any pyramid give the date for the second coming of Christ, but few people write books about that these days. Aliens, secret societies and the people of Atlantis are much more fashionable.