@humbled - excellent points.
I'm no saint but if it's one thing I can't stand it's crimes committed against children.
In an ideal world it would be possible to find the GB and others guilty of crimes against children, and fly them to Saudi Arabia for punishment.
I'd love to see the GB in court - they deserve it.
P.S. the more the general public knows about the dark side of WTS the better.
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www - the Golden Age spouted so much quackery and bullsh1t it's not that surprising that it got one thing right.
when i was a hyperactive kid, i used to like boxing, and of course muhammad ali.
he was a great athlete, with a one-of-a-kind style who made a stand for his beliefs.. now that i'm older, i admire athletes that are quieter and get on with the job in hand - joe frazier, for example.. i'd like to put american racial politics and ali's tragic current condition to one side and focus on the following:.
how good a fighter was ali?.
The Ali v Holmes fight was obscene. Holmes was a superb technician who would've been an absolute nightmare for even a heathy, young Ali.
Either Dundee or the ref, Richard Green, should have stopped the fight much earlier. By the first couple of rounds, it was clear that Ali didn't belong in the same ring as Holmes that night. I also feel sorry for Holmes - he didn't want to beat the sh1t out of his mentor.
when i was a hyperactive kid, i used to like boxing, and of course muhammad ali.
he was a great athlete, with a one-of-a-kind style who made a stand for his beliefs.. now that i'm older, i admire athletes that are quieter and get on with the job in hand - joe frazier, for example.. i'd like to put american racial politics and ali's tragic current condition to one side and focus on the following:.
how good a fighter was ali?.
Good point, Terry, I've seen Ali/Shavers a couple of times. I scored it 8 rounds for Shavers, 6 for Ali and 1 even.
This was another fight where Ali was p1$$ing blood afterwards. I read that after this fight, Ali's doctor, Ferdie Pacheco, sent copies of tests showing that Ali's kidneys were nearly falling apart to Herbert Muhammad, Angelo Dundee and Ali himself. None replied, so he quit Ali's corner.
'look back on Ali's career and look at how many fights were stopped by the referee' - yes, the Ron Lyle fight springs to mind.
when i was a hyperactive kid, i used to like boxing, and of course muhammad ali.
he was a great athlete, with a one-of-a-kind style who made a stand for his beliefs.. now that i'm older, i admire athletes that are quieter and get on with the job in hand - joe frazier, for example.. i'd like to put american racial politics and ali's tragic current condition to one side and focus on the following:.
how good a fighter was ali?.
@Terry - your post makes some good points.
I, too, have read similar rumours re the Foreman fight - that Foreman was given a fluid that tasted, in Foreman's words, 'medicinal'. Athough this sounds far-fetched, in an African country ruled by a complete nutcase (Mobutu) it is entirely possible. Also to be noted is that despite the tradition in boxing of giving the de-throned champ an immediate return (e.g. Holyfield/Tyson, Ali/Liston, Marciano/Walcott, Tunney/Dempsey) Ali didn't want to share the same ring with Big George a second time.
I agree with you that Don King is Mafia-like, a lowlife who exploited Ali and future boxers.
jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.
if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.
and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.
Barbara Anderson - will there be any effort to bring this and cases like this to a wider audience in future?
I'm from England, and saw the Panorama expose when it first aired (c. Aug/Sept 2002?). Could Panorama be persuaded to do a follow-up program?
P.S. I hope they lock up this evil b*****d and throw away the key - and this is me being kind to him.
when i was a hyperactive kid, i used to like boxing, and of course muhammad ali.
he was a great athlete, with a one-of-a-kind style who made a stand for his beliefs.. now that i'm older, i admire athletes that are quieter and get on with the job in hand - joe frazier, for example.. i'd like to put american racial politics and ali's tragic current condition to one side and focus on the following:.
how good a fighter was ali?.
@talesin - I agree that Tyson and Ali, psycologically, were very different. Tyson might snap or give up when things weren't going his way, whereas Ali would most often find a way to win.
when i was a hyperactive kid, i used to like boxing, and of course muhammad ali.
he was a great athlete, with a one-of-a-kind style who made a stand for his beliefs.. now that i'm older, i admire athletes that are quieter and get on with the job in hand - joe frazier, for example.. i'd like to put american racial politics and ali's tragic current condition to one side and focus on the following:.
how good a fighter was ali?.
Simon, I agree with you that ultimately it is pointless to compare fighters from different eras for the reasons you've stated.
I also agree that Ali carried on far too long - in the Holmes fight, Angelo Dundee eventually stopped it after round 10 - disgraceful!
'Ali was top in a golden age of HW boxing' - this is the part that I'm still trying to work out.
Ali, though obviously great, benifited from one or two gift decisions. In the 3rd Ken Norton fight, it's hard not to feel sorry for Norton at the end when the judges somehow awarded Ali a unanimous decision. Every close decision of Ali's career went his way.
Ali also got away with a lot of clinching. This is illegal, and if done persistently can alter the course of a fight (such as Ali vs Frazier 2).
when i was a hyperactive kid, i used to like boxing, and of course muhammad ali.
he was a great athlete, with a one-of-a-kind style who made a stand for his beliefs.. now that i'm older, i admire athletes that are quieter and get on with the job in hand - joe frazier, for example.. i'd like to put american racial politics and ali's tragic current condition to one side and focus on the following:.
how good a fighter was ali?.
@3rdgen - I agree, Ali was compulsive viewing.
I remember watching Ali vs Bob Foster on youtube.
Foster was the light-heavyweight champ and a good fighter. He caught Ali a couple of times with the right hand and, each time, Ali would make his legs wobble as if he was going out, taking the p1$$. He treated Foster like a sparring partner, incredible!
when i was a hyperactive kid, i used to like boxing, and of course muhammad ali.
he was a great athlete, with a one-of-a-kind style who made a stand for his beliefs.. now that i'm older, i admire athletes that are quieter and get on with the job in hand - joe frazier, for example.. i'd like to put american racial politics and ali's tragic current condition to one side and focus on the following:.
how good a fighter was ali?.
blondie - I agree, Tyson's ear-biting in the return fight with Holyfield was disgraceful - it certainly puts illegal tactics employed by Ali in the shade.
minimus - maybe a prime, well-motivated Tyson has a shot against Ali - if a 185lb Cooper left hook can have Ali/Clay in trouble, what could a 220lbTyson left hook do?
