the answer to this question is not that easy or obvious as you might think.
if your answer is "creationists" you are wrong, they are evolutionists a rare breed of evolutionists, but evolutionists at last .. at this stage of my argumentation you might think i have lost my mind for stating jehovahs witnesses are evolutionists, but this might be because you are thinking as the wt has taught you to think.
the wt has presented a distorted view of the theory of evolution.
I agree with you, cofty, JWs don't know the first thing about evolution. The Society, willfully it seems, consistently confuse evolution with abiogenesis.
In answer to the OP JWs are neither, IMO. They will do and say anything to promote the Society - no more, no less.
in another thread i raised the point " there are moderate muslims but their is no moderate islam".
now i must face the fact i have muslim friends who say they believe the koran.. well i have asked these muslim friends, if they have investigated the origins of the koran.
they have answerd " yes".
@AlphaMan - BOTR is an educated person and really should know better. Ignore her nonsense statements.
Let's continue this thread ...
in another thread i raised the point " there are moderate muslims but their is no moderate islam".
now i must face the fact i have muslim friends who say they believe the koran.. well i have asked these muslim friends, if they have investigated the origins of the koran.
they have answerd " yes".
I agree with humbled - this thread can be good without the need for diatribes.
So here's my opinion, for what it's worth: it's just not worth it for any of us to try to help muslims see organised religion for what it is.
Islam needs reforming but only muslims can do this. Likewise, whatever muslims truly believe, they'll have to figure this out for themselves in their own way. Until Islam is tamed like Christianity, it's best to let them get on with it, IMO.
in another thread i raised the point " there are moderate muslims but their is no moderate islam".
now i must face the fact i have muslim friends who say they believe the koran.. well i have asked these muslim friends, if they have investigated the origins of the koran.
they have answerd " yes".
Oh yes, I agree with you humbled caution is the word here.
JWs can and do disfellowship, shun, and disinherit 'apostates'. This is bad but it's nothing compared to what some muslims do to apostates.
in another thread i raised the point " there are moderate muslims but their is no moderate islam".
now i must face the fact i have muslim friends who say they believe the koran.. well i have asked these muslim friends, if they have investigated the origins of the koran.
they have answerd " yes".
Sorry, humbled, I obviously didn't know that you had that problem.
I should sometimes think more before I type.
I really am sorry.
in another thread i raised the point " there are moderate muslims but their is no moderate islam".
now i must face the fact i have muslim friends who say they believe the koran.. well i have asked these muslim friends, if they have investigated the origins of the koran.
they have answerd " yes".
@humbled - generally speaking, the Muslim World doesn't go a bundle on 'freedom', does it?
@nhah - we're not talking about falling over on the ice and bruising your leg here, are we?
I realise I'm swiftly becoming a pain in the a$$, but be careful.
in another thread i raised the point " there are moderate muslims but their is no moderate islam".
now i must face the fact i have muslim friends who say they believe the koran.. well i have asked these muslim friends, if they have investigated the origins of the koran.
they have answerd " yes".
@humbled - I'm sorry for what I said about you.
@nhah - I am concerned for you. I think that most people here on JWN are indeed decent people and I would include you in that.
Maajid Nawaz is a decent man and a moderate, serious muslim. He has received numerous death rates for asking awkward questions.
What makes you think that Schmoes such as me or you can cross the muslim minefield and make it to the other side unscathed?
Take a long, deep think about this before you do or say anything on this matter.
in another thread i raised the point " there are moderate muslims but their is no moderate islam".
now i must face the fact i have muslim friends who say they believe the koran.. well i have asked these muslim friends, if they have investigated the origins of the koran.
they have answerd " yes".
Seriously, nhah, screw humbled. He/she can stick their advice right where the sun don't shine.
Although most muslims are peaceful and decent people they can be very volatile - Salman Rushdie went into hiding for writing the seemingly harmless and dull-as-ditchwater 'Satanic Verses'.
I'm advising you right now to leave this matter with your muslim friends well alone. Save it for JWN.
Please.
in another thread i raised the point " there are moderate muslims but their is no moderate islam".
now i must face the fact i have muslim friends who say they believe the koran.. well i have asked these muslim friends, if they have investigated the origins of the koran.
they have answerd " yes".
@nhah
Be very, very careful.
Your moderate muslim friends might tell one of their more 'zealous' friends all about their chats with you.
If I were you, I'd forget all about it and just smile, nod politely, and change the subject.
Your health and life are worth more than any muslim's beliefs.
jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.
if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.
and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.
Thank you for answering my questions, Barbara.
You're doing a good job in exposing the sick crimes that the WTS tries to cover up.
All the best
LUHE
