Owens at the end simply asserted that when trying to improve the "goodness" of the world you have no other path but corruption and dishonesty, "there is no other way" she insisted - I'll have to listen to the conversation again but I thought Owens suggested that when people pursue 'goodness' then they're more likely than those who pursue 'truth' to fall into corruption and dishonesty.
I lost count how many times they suggested "no one else" was talking about this or that topic - they may be wrong in this claim, although very few people are successfully talking about this or that topic without feeling consequences. - see what happened to Heather Heying and her husband, for example.
The promise of "freedom" and liberation by abandoning "liberalism" and "leftism" said with born-againerlike eyes - nothing 'born-again' about that conversation at all. Born-againer-like eyes? I don't think so.
This probably in their minds justifies their impugning ulterior motives and envisioning power grabbing conspiracies by "Marxists" - well, Marxists have multiplied in universities all over the US, Canada and the UK. I can see why some people speak of a 'power grab'.
These are about the only thing that has actually changed since the 90's - quite a bit has changed since the 90s. Life on campus has changed, with deranged outrage over all manner of perceived and real social transgressions, students demanding and getting safe spaces, etc.