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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

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  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  LoveUniHateExams

  Scotland will opt for independence - but we've already discussed how this would break up the UK.

  Scotland must not be allowed to break up the UK without the whole of the UK electorate voting on the matter.
  
  
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

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  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  LoveUniHateExams

  'when there is more than 50% support for it then there should be another referendum. That’s democracy' - ok, let's go with that.

  IndyRef 2 happens as soon as there is a majority of support for independence.

  Let's ignore the fact that any second referendum might piss all over the first.

  So, Scotland goes independent.

  Later on, there is a majority who are in favour of rejoining the UK.

  Another IndyRef?

  Let's also consider the following: Alex Salmond was really, really hoping to lead the independence vote to victory in 2014. That obviously didn't happen. But let's imagine that the Leave vote won.

  Would you be supporting another IndyRef if a majority wanted to rejoin the UK?

  
  
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

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  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  In reality a second referendum might be the last - but why?

  Because if Scotland voted Leave in a second referendum, then made a shambles of independence, wouldn't there be a clamour for a third IndyRef?

  Or the other way around, if a second IndyRef produced the same result, you'd get bloody-minded SNP supporters demanding another.

  So, if there was a second referendum and the unionists won again, you'd throw in the towel?

  Edited to add: of course, the best way to respect the electorate is to respect the 2014 IndyRef and its result.
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

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  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  No he didn’t - ok. But the IndyRef was framed as a once-in-a-generation event. That was the point I was making.

  no one politician can bind the hands of Scottish democracy for decades - is that how you view the referendum result?

  If Scotland were to have a second IndyRef, and the result was the same as the first one, would you accept that result, or would you press for a third referendum?
  
  
  
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. social
  2. current

  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  LoveUniHateExams

  Anyone from the UK care to explain what the scottish independent people are upset about and how they feel separating will improve their life? - it's mostly ancient grievances and rivalries against the English.

  A lot of it is just banter, but there is anti-English bigotry as well, all whipped up by the SNP.

  Strange thing is, thanks to The Barnet Formula, more money per capita is spent on Scottish people than people south of the border. Scots also get 'free' uni education (paid for by English taxpayers), and free eye tests (again, paid for by ...). They may also get free dentist stuff, although I'm not sure about this. But, anyway, what this means is that the English taxpayer pretty much does everything for Scots except wipe their backsides. And some still hate us. There's just no fixing stupid, is there.

  The Scots already had a referendum on UK membership in 2014. The then-SNP leader, Alex Salmond, called it a once-in-a-generation event, probably in the hopes that it would help his cause. It didn't - the unionists won.

  
  
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

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  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  What is the difference between subjective - objective and absolute morality? - great question.

  As far as I can see there's no actual difference.

  There's just 'morality'.
  
  
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

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  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  LoveUniHateExams

  I wouldn't let an animal suffer never mind a person - but, like me, you do.

  Animals suffer all the time in their natural habitat.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedZrvGUFlI

  ^^^ Awww, poor deer ...
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

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  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  In the scenario of the OP, I'd like to think I'd try to help the child.

  What responsibility would I bear for inaction on my part?

  It's a tough one.

  Surely the little boy's parent(s) or legal guardian(s) bear responsibility?
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  How do you feel about Brexit?

  by SydBarrett in

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  the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.

  there are a lot of brits on this board.

  what are your thoughts on brexit?

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  LoveUniHateExams

  That's wrong in one major and important way: the EU had a vested interest in making Brexit as difficult as possible, to dissuade any other member states from thinking that leaving the union would be easy or desirable

  ^^^ Exactly. This can easily be overlooked.
  
  
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. social
  2. current

  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  It’s 50/50 want independence at the moment - then that's not a majority, as you falsely implied in a previous post.

  The other parts of the UK should get their own votes on whether to remain in the UK - weasel words. Do we ask this referendum UK-wide and tally up the yes votes and no votes with one side winning, or do we separate off all the countries and territories arbitrarily?
  

  Like any normal country Scotland will decide what is in its best interests in terms of currency and economic and foreign policy at the time - but what if Scotland's best interest is to stay within the UK, and have the British pound as its currency?

  I agree both the assets and the liabilities of the UK state will need to be settled equitably - nice words, but what does this mean in practice?

  As far as I can make out, you want Scotland to discontinue with the Barnet Formula, and have a proportionate share of Westminster's riches, plus a proportionate share of the UK debt.

  Is this viable?

  Scotland has a population of approx. 5 million, give or take. Some of those people are kids in schools, some are drug addicts or otherwise unable to make a net benefit to the Scottish economy.

  How many people in Scotland are a net benefit to society? Maybe 3 and a half million, something like this.

  How can Scotland survive - and more importantly - thrive independently from England?
  Have you genuinely thought this through, or is it 'independence at all costs'?

  I'm sorry, Slim, but you're not really dealing with the issues I raised. Rather, you're just batting them away, saying 'what about Ireland, what about Norway!'.

  Still, it won't be my loss, it will be Scotland's ...