Posts by kairos

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Exposing one's identity. When?

by kairos in

jw
friends

i've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.

( "reaching out", so to speak ).

i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.

kairos

I would like to show up with open cameras and crew to record it. Why not?

I got this goofy e-mail from the previous COBE this morning:

Trekkor:
I am not sure why you keep sending me these emails since I am in New York and not in the best position to be involved with whatever you are dealing with. Although I have not read any of the material and links that you have sent me, it is obvious that you are not interested at this time in the truth and serving Jehovah. I viewed you as a friend and it pains me greatly to see the course you have taken. Although I do not approve of or respect your current views, I remain hopeful that one day you will come back to the truth and once again serve Jehovah with the earthly part of his organization. Until that time, I would appreciate it if you would stop emailing me. Also, I am not forwarding the information you sent me, nor am I reading it. So if someone needs to receive it other than me, it would be best if you forwarded it to them yourself.
I appreciate you respecting my wishes, and just confirm, please do reply to this email.
Steven Javorina

His father in law is WT lawyer Mario Moreno. FYI

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Exposing one's identity. When?

by kairos in

jw
friends

i've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.

( "reaching out", so to speak ).

i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.

kairos

So here's the plan:

I'm NOT going to attend any JCs.

I have sent the JC summons to a few key JW gossip monsters. The virus is in the system.
Word will spread like wild fire. Apostate! Apostate!

If they announce me, everyone will already know ahead of time and what for.
DFing for apostasy is super rare. It will get everyone's attention in the circuit.

And?

Some may start to think and wonder how this could be possible, as I was well liked, a MS, aux pioneer, went out on talks every month, did the stage at the assemblies, blah blah...

"How long was he an apostate"?
"Why did Jehovah appoint him or let him be a MS"?
"He seemed so strong"
"I wonder what made him leave the truth"

If they don't announce me, the gossip will ramp up. They will not be able to comprehend how I dodged the elders.

One way or another I will make sure a copy of the cease and desist letter is in each of the JC elder's hands, as well as the COBE. Their decision will be based both on how seriously they take my letter and the two calls from the sheriff in four days.

Any predictions and why?

I say they have to announce me.

I'm happy no matter what happens as long as my wife remains my friend.

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Exposing one's identity. When?

by kairos in

jw
friends

i've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.

( "reaching out", so to speak ).

i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.

kairos

Being calm.

Quiet evening with the wife.

Stay tuned.

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Exposing one's identity. When?

by kairos in

jw
friends

i've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.

( "reaching out", so to speak ).

i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.

kairos

They don't get it...

Certified mail from the very elder the officer spoke to directly on Friday afternoon at 12:40 pm from my yard.

I called another Sheriff deputy who called them and issued another "stern warning".

Anybody busy on Monday night for a good time in Napa?

Camera men?

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Dealing With ANGER!!

by kairos in

jw
friends

little help i'd like to pass on from another cult survivor to me.. not jw but a violent, physically captive indian cult.. she says on anger:.

it's the longest lasting emotion with have.. it takes at least 90 seconds for it to run it's course once we stop.a lot can happen in 90 seconds, and some of the most horrible exchanges and actions happen right after the anger first manifests itself.. we're experiencing fantastic results by just going for a very short walk ( 90 seconds out in the yard or other room ) before continuing the conversation.. when my wife and i come back together we can smile, embrace and congratulate each other for avoiding a horrible day.. before it even becomes anger, wait 3-5 seconds before making your reply.

slow it down!!

kairos

If I honestly take a good hard look at my biggest mistakes and embarrassing moments in life, they most often happened while angry.

If I can keep from getting angry, I'm golden.

"You wouldn't like me when I'm angry"
-Bruce Banner

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I am traveling long way to meet stephen lett in sacramento would you like me to lgive message to him

by poopie in

jw
friends

this weekend

kairos

I know people that will be there.

I could show up, you never know!

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Dealing With ANGER!!

by kairos in

jw
friends

little help i'd like to pass on from another cult survivor to me.. not jw but a violent, physically captive indian cult.. she says on anger:.

it's the longest lasting emotion with have.. it takes at least 90 seconds for it to run it's course once we stop.a lot can happen in 90 seconds, and some of the most horrible exchanges and actions happen right after the anger first manifests itself.. we're experiencing fantastic results by just going for a very short walk ( 90 seconds out in the yard or other room ) before continuing the conversation.. when my wife and i come back together we can smile, embrace and congratulate each other for avoiding a horrible day.. before it even becomes anger, wait 3-5 seconds before making your reply.

slow it down!!

kairos

Little help I'd like to pass on from another cult survivor to me.

Not JW but a violent, physically captive Indian cult.

She says on anger:

It's the longest lasting emotion with have.

It takes at least 90 seconds for it to run it's course once we STOP.
A lot can happen in 90 seconds, and some of the most horrible exchanges and actions happen right after the anger first manifests itself.

We're experiencing FANTASTIC results by just going for a very short walk ( 90 seconds out in the yard or other room ) before continuing the conversation.

When my wife and I come back together we can smile, embrace and congratulate each other for avoiding a horrible day.

Before it even becomes anger, wait 3-5 seconds before making your reply. SLOW IT DOWN!! We imagine there is limited time and we are in some sort of hurry. Not true!

Building a loving and lasting relationship takes constant work.
There are no short cuts, so making time for our lover is top priority.

Have a great day!

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Exposing one's identity. When?

by kairos in

jw
friends

i've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.

( "reaching out", so to speak ).

i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.

kairos

It's a high powered "Cease and Desist" letter.

Let's lighten things up a bit shall we, and brainstorm some both positive a ridiculous ways to serve the letter to the BOE?

Remember the assembly soliloquies? ( dumb )

"The wrong way to witness/be a witness and now the correct way to protect against saddening our god"...

So I'm looking for both the wrong and right ways to deliver the goods.
( please make the funny )
I'm exhausted and could really use a good laugh!
Are you with me?

I'll post what method I eventually use and "how it turned out".

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Exposing one's identity. When?

by kairos in

jw
friends

i've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.

( "reaching out", so to speak ).

i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.

kairos

Anyone can be successful in exiting a cult.

My situation is not like everyone's, obviously.
I, after paying close attention to the way JWs are treating me, have been led to accept that these are not people I need to salvage any type of relationship with.

This topic has morphed into a real time story of my JW life.The chapter is not yet closed, so follow along if you are inclined to do so.

I'll share my next letter with anyone that would care to read it.
Very likely a copy will be e-mailed to the previous COBE from my congregation that is the youngest of a horribly dysfunctional family of Napa JWs. I'll ask him to distribute the letter amongst the Napa BOE himself, so as to avoid an embarrassing scene at the KH where Officer Fisher potentially serves each elder as they enter the KH...

The previous COBE, whom I will "counting on", pioneered and I supported him for years in the field before he was an elder. He was accepted to bethel and claimed to have 'access' to the GB on some late night security assignments, whatever that means.

He came home a Bethel appointed elder and was almost immediately made the COBE in his mid-thirties.

He's back at Bethel as we squeak!
His father-in-law is a "well known Bethel lawyer". ( MM )

So if I deliver the goods to him, it might just trickle down!!

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I had requested them to put shepherding concerns in writing.

by quincemyles in

last week, i had requested the elders to put their shepherding concerns in writing and that only one elder visits me because i am uncomfortable with two.

well, today they approached me and said we are not able to write to you and we are going to see you the two of us.

i felt how inconsiderate and disrespectful of individuals the watchtower machinery is.

kairos

I can help you.

Anyone can be successful in exiting a cult.

My situation is not like everyone's, obviously.
I, after paying close attention to the way JWs are treating me, have been led to accept that these are not people I need to salvage any type of relationship with.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/93320002/exposing-ones-identity-when

The topic morphed into a real time story of my life.The chapter is not yet closed, so follow along if you are inclined to do so.

I'll share my next letter with anyone that would care to read it.
Very likely a copy will be e-mailed to the previous COBE from my congregation that is the youngest of a horribly dysfunctional family of JWs. He pioneered and I supported him for years before he was an elder. He was accepted to bethel and claimed to have 'access' to the GB on some security assignment, whatever that means.

He came home and elder and was made the COBE in his mid thirties.

He's back at Bethel as we squeak!
His father-in-law is a "well known Bethel lawyer". ( MM )

So if I deliver the goods to him, it might just trickle down!!