tjcurioso: What happens in a lot of families where there are tensions? very often they don't speak years with each other.. or till they dies. And good family relations are broken.. Very sad, with my work I often deal with such situations.... why is this conduct accept, and why is nobody ring on the alarm bell? i know a lot of JW's who have contact with expelled family despite the policy they have to follow.. And of course others who are following strictly the rules...but I think you are making an overstatement....we are approximately 4 miljard people on earth, if 4 miljoen people don't want teoretically speak with you, There are other 3 miljard people where you can have a good time...thus why making such a great problem about an expellement procedure, if families in different countrys, are practising the same method against homosexualss, lesbians? Without being religious...They are leterally send way from home, and not accepted anymore by the family... and i can't read a lot of protest against this? or didn't I miss something?
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144Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Parapilpopemon: claims must be have strong evidences, and no I am not a JW apologist, or a droll, I am only a person who is not so easy influenced by others, and I have the idea, that if someone is rejecting your theories: you can't respect these persons.you call them trolls, JW apologist.... The main issue remains: did the BITE model really helped you? Your behaviour contradicts what you are preaching. when you got a court victory with all these theories, and claims, then I will read it.. But until then these are only claims, theories, models that are changing in every new book release, it's not difficult to understand that these theories remains still under discussion.. (london:111) and not acceped by everyone.
London111: Thank you for your opinions, but I like to join to conclusions of experts, proffesionals, and in particular of the psychiatric community.
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Paralpoplemom: Thank you for your exellent research: but she didn't say that it is a destructive cult, a high controlled group has not al the characterictics of a destructive cult. 1) isolation, deprivation, hours of indoctrination. 2) Phisical, and economical damage. 3)Psychological damage. Al these factors have to be cearly manifest in a cult, to be destructive. And JW's are not so extreme. They are not encouraged to isolate from the society, and to go to live in a community, that makes it not possible to indoctrinate in a extreme way: See the Jim Jones cult, the Solar Temple...These are examples of a destructive cult.What about the physical and economic damage: Jehovah witnesses are like the must others working people, and also materialistic they are not forced to give their money to the watchtower, or to sell their houses. The psychological damage is the must difficult part to prove, and has to be substained by a psychiatric, and medical control, and not only by a BITE model. The blood policy by JW is not being forced on their members. The King's story in England these day's is confirming it. excommunicating members is also practiced in other Religions, and Organisations. how abstract these rules are, they are not determinant to prove that JW's are a destructive Cult. but that is my opinion.
jignat: In Belgium a commission with a specialized team, and governments rapresentatives, made a list of destructive cults, that are followed by the Security department, and I can say to you that the JW's are not in that list, but they are recognized as a benign cult.
tj curioso: try to search on google and you will find it.
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Tj curioso: An exploratory Study in methods of distinguishing destructive cults. (Jonathan Bohm, and Laurence Alison: Department of psychology, University of Liverpool)
In the european Union the JW's are not classified as a destructive cult, but are empirically classified as a more benign cult
ijgnat: you are right, what you said
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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I will repeat for those who did not read my preview posts, or are in a defence modus : I hace expressed my concerns and expressed my scepticism about the BITE model from Hassan. But did doesn't mean that you can use it. You all can have your opinion about it. But hear the opinions, and experiences from others is always good. but I am not totally convinced that the Books of Hassan has helped everybody here on this forum: the question remains: Is the BITE model really effective For everybody? Even Hassan admits about his interventions, that they are not working for everybody...and so it can be said about other cult experts who are working with ex-members of destructive Cults. Sure it could be a guideline, but not a guarantee. That's the reason why a lot of models presented by cult experts, are still under question by the psychiatric community, and not always accepted by the European Union by example, or in Court cases When dealing with Religious movements, or Religious Cults, despite all the claims presented by ex- cult members here, on JW survey, and other forums. On internet we can challenge another, debate, and expressing our opinions, but at the end what really matters is that what governments defines as a good Cult, or a destructive cult. And the reality is that the JW's are recognised as a Religious movement, and not as a destructive cult in a lot of Nations. And I don't think that a BITE model will really change this.
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Bruja del sol: I am also embarrased by your behaviour: the Dutch behaviour.. strange types..LOL
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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hello, to all of you,
I have been busy, and I have a lot of work to do.. This is the reason why I diidn't have been logged in here:
TJ curioso:thank you for your affords, and your references: But I can't read portugues. But I think it could be very interesting to read, and analyse.
parapalpemon: I am not making a case against Hassan, I have expressed my scepticism about his BITE model, but you are free to accept it and to use it.
About Dr Manner: Do you have a reference where he is saying that Jehovah Witnesses Are a destructive Cult? I am curious to read it.
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The TRUE story of a Pedophile
by Tech49 inthis is a true experience that i thought i would share, one that occurred just a few years ago in my area.
it is a real experience, nothing made up here.. a younger couple moved into our kh, into the joining congregation (so not ours, but the other one that shared our kh).
they seemed nice enough, they had one boy that was about 8, and a baby on the way.
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Hey ijgnat good evening from Europe,
this is true, that some organisations, are requiring a criminal record check from their members.. and i am convinced that in the future with all those pedofilia scandals everywhere, in our society, Religion en cults, even if they will use the best lawyers in Courts, that it isn't needed, our Legal system will force to do these checks, and you will see how quick they wiil accept otherwise they will loose a lot of privileges, and a lot of bad publicity, and be more controlled en followed by the governments, And a a lot of Court Cases, where they wiil have to pay a lot of settlements..I hope that this will happen soon, for the protection of our dear children.
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The TRUE story of a Pedophile
by Tech49 inthis is a true experience that i thought i would share, one that occurred just a few years ago in my area.
it is a real experience, nothing made up here.. a younger couple moved into our kh, into the joining congregation (so not ours, but the other one that shared our kh).
they seemed nice enough, they had one boy that was about 8, and a baby on the way.
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Good mornig to you all,
the problem is that Religious movement arent obbligated by the law to do a criminal record check of the members involved in the movement, and those having responsabilities , or being leaders.. I hope that this will change in the future , so that there Can be not any excuse more for Religious movements or other organisations to take action and protect the children. When I became a member of the Integration Service, they did a criminal record check..Why can' t this not enforced by law for Religio, cults, and other organisations?
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Enzo
Good evening from Europe..
jgnat: Thank you for that interesting article about I-watch.. But Apple will be my favorite gadget.. LOL..
EdenOne: nice to meet you.. I will explain myself:
I am trained in psychology, , and work for the integration service in our Community..and organizing cultural activities, there I deal on a regular base with Muslims, Protestants, catolics, and also Jehovah witnesses.. I like this job but at At september I will start another course In how dealing with a psychose, and other psychiatric disorders...so whe can help them more, especially those living in poverty. In our community.
I don't work for the Watch Tower, and I am not a troll.. But I know the JW teachings very good... And have a lot of JW friends..
I hope I answered your questions..
PS: sorry for my English, Google translator would be my salvation..