Posts by Enzo

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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Enzo

witness my fury: I know that you and others don't like my criticism..And like I also have mentioned in other posts, you are not forced, to read, or react on my posts.. But there are members who are interested to listen to another opinion...and I can understand that if you are hurt by a destructive cult you need to search proffesional help.. (a good psychiatrist who is well informed about destructive cults), rather than starting a cruisade against JW's or others.. It could bee that there are other psychological factors involved that contribute your search in the wrong direction..(cults), that is your work to figure it out...

that is my message to give here, and yes, I have read Hassans Books , but I am not really convinced about his BITE model.. For me it remains a sales marketing strategy, a lot of these figures have find a way to make money ( ask the charges involved by an intervention), and selling books..

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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Enzo

tJ curioso: read the book from Morelli, a very intelligent, en well educated woman: Titel: the Cult of the Cult opponents...I hope you will enjoi it... But I think it is only avaible in Dutch..

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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?

by Enzo in

hi, to everyone my username is enzo, .

recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .

but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.

Enzo

London 111: In the godfather film there is a scene where the sister of Michael Corleone this famous phrase: Now they fear you Michael.. and I am feeling this by your post... Oh yeah.. I frgot: don't feed the trolls... Waisted time

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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Enzo

Tj curioso: can people not see, or evaluate the risks involved by joining a destructive cult? Yes if you can't read, or you are mentally unstable. ore children, or even adolescents...but if you are not in these category, you can make a lot of research these days, a lot of information, is accessible, or avaible, about destructive cults.. pretenting that undue influence is the only cause of being involved in destructive cults, is deniying, your personal responsability. At the end, we have made this choice.. We did something wrong...we made a bad decision.. reconizing our part in it, would empowered us to be more carefully in the future..

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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Enzo

Rip van winkel: Yes, I am imitating you, and a lot of others here..

Am I against to inform people about the dangers of being involved in a destructive cult? No at all ...There must be an information centre, but the information presented must be accepted by all the psychiatric community.. No theories that are still not accepted..and still under discussion...2) balanced material presented with scientifical evidences..( not manipulate by ex-cult members).

about the dangers of a destructive cult, and the idea of denying responsability, from our part in it when making a choise to get involved in these dangerous cults...I will make this example: we all know the dangers involved by climbing a mountain like the mont blanc, or the Himalaya isnt it? you can arrive at tht top, but you can also fall, and hurt you, or even die.. Every year you can hear that someone has died, or in a clinical coma, because of an accident when climbing that mountain... But why then a lot of people ignore these dangers, and take the risk? Because it's their desire, their favourite sport....here is the point: It's their choice, and they will do it... conclusion : There are several destructive cults,(mountains)! If

we decide to climb these mountains(destructive cults) think at the dangers involved.. If your desire for spiritual adventure is so strong, and you take the risks, then it is your responsability if you hurts yourself. you have made this choice,...thus think twice before making spiritual adventures...and make always a rational analys..

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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Enzo

Tj Curioso: you want to see patterns,, like John's Cedars with a team of professionals, behind him. But I don't think that a high court would be very easily convinced... There is a lobby machine going on from ex-cult members on internet : and John Cedars is one of them.. i hope that you will use your critical thinking, and you analize all the other sources avaible in the psychiatric community about undue influence..and try then to make a rational thesis, without being influenced by ex cult members.. and that is a great problem for you.. You are not very neutral, but emotionally involved.. And every thing I will say to you, you will not accept. I think you are a smart boy, and I hope you will take your degree.. have a nice time..

by the way John Cedars told he baptized by th JW's he was eleven years old... the question is was he forced against his will to become a JW? Can you speak about undue influence exercised on a eleven year old boy? Is this scientifically possible? What about a catholic boy who's parents decide to let hem do his second communion in the church? Isn't this also undue influence? i hope that you would think about a possibility of a leggitimate influence, by parents with good intentions, rather than claiming on a theorie of indue influence.. At a age f 20 years he analysed the teachings of the JW's, and took a certain period before he took the decision to leave the JW's... Is there somebody of the JW's who forced him against his will to remain a JW? No.. And about the procedure of leaving a religious organisation, it is legally established..but the main Issue remains: why isn't he going with al this proffesional team to a high court with all those claims? Do you think he will win? Perhaps on internet..but the possibilities in a real high court are very low.....

I will wait and see...but I don't thinks so..

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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Enzo

Oubliette: exactly what really happened, and this reality only God knows. Because someone is claiming something, don't means that he is telling the whole truth.. in italian we call this type of persons who beliefs everything: creduloni...

Tj curioso: Leggitimate influence is permissible.. Read my post carefully before making conclusions. i thought that with a university degree you would be better in making conclusions...

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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Enzo

John Cedars, has told his story, and I think that the fact he is being rejected by JW's, and especially his father, is the reason why he now wants to demonstrate that indue influence is the cause of this.. But that's his personal story, and every story has two sides...and about undue influence: sure it exists, but not only in Religious movements, these methods are used also in the media. And a lot of organisations... The truth is that between leggitimate influence, and indue influence there is a fine line.. there are a lot of strong scientifical evidence needed to prove it.. And that's the most difficult part in a court.. I am very curious what a sentence of a high court will be by such claims... until that day, I from my part will have my personal opinion on it...

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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?

by Enzo in

hi, to everyone my username is enzo, .

recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .

but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.

Enzo

parap: I didn' have the pretention that you must accept my opinions.. You are, alluding and making such conclusions..by yourself. And Nobody is asking to trust me...before I trust someone! This person has to gain my trust..This is a virtual world and everyone can pretending to be, or to know a lot off things.and yes I am not a court expert, but neither are you paraplipomenon.. Thus you can have a degree of a university, but you are not the only one... It's too sad that after a lot of days of discussing, and giving my opinion, that is not the same of the most of you, the only thing a view of you can do is using insulting or provoking language. .. this is very sad. And reveals A lot to me.. nobody forces you to give a reaction to what I am posting, and honestly I am not waiting on such ignorant comments....

But otherwise I am convinced that this site has very intelligent members, Some post of these people was very remarkable.. I will read their topics always with a lot of pleasure... have a good time...

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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?

by Enzo in

hi, to everyone my username is enzo, .

recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .

but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.

Enzo

grazie per tutti i vostri commenti, dato che sono criticato cosi aspramente per L'inglese, vi scrivo nella mia lingua madre L'italiano..vi voglio dire che siete troppo suscettibil, e volete avere L'ultima parola in questione... Avete vinto, pero non mi convincerete mai... Ed io, non ho mai preteso di essere andato all'universita, e vi ho raccontato che lavoro per il servizio d'integrazione, dove il rispetto per qualsiasi denominazione Religiosa e auspicabile.. qualcosa che non sara mai purtroppo alla vostra altezza..il vostro odio vi ha reso ciechi.. Speriamo che il vostro modello, creato da Hassan, vi faccia capire, che con l'odio, e rancore non si ottengono risultati, ma con un attitudine comprensiva, essere pronti a cercare di capire un po gli altri, anche se non si condividono gli idee, o gli insegnamenti religiosi, si possono avere risultati inaspettati.. for all those who criticize me about my English, this is my answer in Italian....i will not anymore post something in English... greetings Enzo

PS: this was my last post on this subject..the reason is explained in my post in Italian..I hope that you will find all the peace you are searching...I will spend my days in helping people, rather than arguing with you, waisted time....