I will repeat for those who did not read my preview posts, or are in a defence modus : I hace expressed my concerns and expressed my scepticism about the BITE model from Hassan. But did doesn't mean that you can use it. You all can have your opinion about it. But hear the opinions, and experiences from others is always good. but I am not totally convinced that the Books of Hassan has helped everybody here on this forum: the question remains: Is the BITE model really effective For everybody? Even Hassan admits about his interventions, that they are not working for everybody...and so it can be said about other cult experts who are working with ex-members of destructive Cults. Sure it could be a guideline, but not a guarantee. That's the reason why a lot of models presented by cult experts, are still under question by the psychiatric community, and not always accepted by the European Union by example, or in Court cases When dealing with Religious movements, or Religious Cults, despite all the claims presented by ex- cult members here, on JW survey, and other forums. On internet we can challenge another, debate, and expressing our opinions, but at the end what really matters is that what governments defines as a good Cult, or a destructive cult. And the reality is that the JW's are recognised as a Religious movement, and not as a destructive cult in a lot of Nations. And I don't think that a BITE model will really change this.
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144Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Bruja del sol: I am also embarrased by your behaviour: the Dutch behaviour.. strange types..LOL
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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hello, to all of you,
I have been busy, and I have a lot of work to do.. This is the reason why I diidn't have been logged in here:
TJ curioso:thank you for your affords, and your references: But I can't read portugues. But I think it could be very interesting to read, and analyse.
parapalpemon: I am not making a case against Hassan, I have expressed my scepticism about his BITE model, but you are free to accept it and to use it.
About Dr Manner: Do you have a reference where he is saying that Jehovah Witnesses Are a destructive Cult? I am curious to read it.
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The TRUE story of a Pedophile
by Tech49 inthis is a true experience that i thought i would share, one that occurred just a few years ago in my area.
it is a real experience, nothing made up here.. a younger couple moved into our kh, into the joining congregation (so not ours, but the other one that shared our kh).
they seemed nice enough, they had one boy that was about 8, and a baby on the way.
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Hey ijgnat good evening from Europe,
this is true, that some organisations, are requiring a criminal record check from their members.. and i am convinced that in the future with all those pedofilia scandals everywhere, in our society, Religion en cults, even if they will use the best lawyers in Courts, that it isn't needed, our Legal system will force to do these checks, and you will see how quick they wiil accept otherwise they will loose a lot of privileges, and a lot of bad publicity, and be more controlled en followed by the governments, And a a lot of Court Cases, where they wiil have to pay a lot of settlements..I hope that this will happen soon, for the protection of our dear children.
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The TRUE story of a Pedophile
by Tech49 inthis is a true experience that i thought i would share, one that occurred just a few years ago in my area.
it is a real experience, nothing made up here.. a younger couple moved into our kh, into the joining congregation (so not ours, but the other one that shared our kh).
they seemed nice enough, they had one boy that was about 8, and a baby on the way.
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Good mornig to you all,
the problem is that Religious movement arent obbligated by the law to do a criminal record check of the members involved in the movement, and those having responsabilities , or being leaders.. I hope that this will change in the future , so that there Can be not any excuse more for Religious movements or other organisations to take action and protect the children. When I became a member of the Integration Service, they did a criminal record check..Why can' t this not enforced by law for Religio, cults, and other organisations?
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Enzo
Good evening from Europe..
jgnat: Thank you for that interesting article about I-watch.. But Apple will be my favorite gadget.. LOL..
EdenOne: nice to meet you.. I will explain myself:
I am trained in psychology, , and work for the integration service in our Community..and organizing cultural activities, there I deal on a regular base with Muslims, Protestants, catolics, and also Jehovah witnesses.. I like this job but at At september I will start another course In how dealing with a psychose, and other psychiatric disorders...so whe can help them more, especially those living in poverty. In our community.
I don't work for the Watch Tower, and I am not a troll.. But I know the JW teachings very good... And have a lot of JW friends..
I hope I answered your questions..
PS: sorry for my English, Google translator would be my salvation..
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Enzo
Good morning from Europe,
hey Ignat, oubliette mentioned a good site: I would suggest you to read the book of Dr Lifton: Titel: Thought reforms and the psychology of totalism.. I think that at chapter 22 he describes th tecchniques of brainwashing.. interesting lecture.. Have a nice day! By the way the apple conference yesterday has influenced me a lot to buy the I-Watch.. Lol..
The way out: i am thinking the same thing...
Have a nice day,
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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No jgnat, I have started this topic, and I am glad to know the opinions of you all about this subject. But I am not leaving the site.. I like to be here.. When I have time I will start another Topic, or give my comment on other topics.. About suggesting books: I read books in dutch, but there are a lot of books online: check this out, I am confident that you are intelligent to find the book you are looking for. or like in the film of Harry potter: The book will choose you.. LOL.. By the way. you are doing a great work..
arrivederci.. enzo..
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Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?
by Enzo inhi, to everyone my username is enzo, .
recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .
but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.
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Hey ignat: I appreciate your comments, and your question: First of all I have given an advice of good literature in one of my preview post..on your question of there is coercion involved by children of JW? I will first search Court Cases where coercion with Children of JW where involved, And look if this was accepted by a court ruling... And then I could give my personal view about it.
About all those Americans involved in Cults, I don't think they are indeed involved all in destructive Cults.. Ii's too easy to make overstatements without Scientific based evidence on it.
My conclusion: There is no one size fits all method of mind control, even if there are Coult- experts preaching the contrary: To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln:You can control some people all of the Time, or all people some of the Time, but you can't control all of the people all of the time...mind control is not total: It's possible to be partly mind controlled( the fact that people can be freed of destructive cult is a good example) There are a lot of mind control tricks ,exposed in a lot of books written by Cult-experts, but not all are required: There isn't a checklist that says you must meet all 4, or 50 requirements to be considered mind control: To control you only need to do what works...and at the end no one is immune for mind control, not even me of you, after all we have read, and learned about it..sure we can buld up defenses, but even then I and you, can be suscetible at some point...
I thank you all of you who participated at this topic, but remember you have all the feedom to have your opinion on the issue of mind control.. This is my rational analys of mind control..
and now happy to see the release of I-phone 6 from Apple? Am I using due influence now? LOL,
arrivederci.. friends.. Enzo, take care of you
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The rank and file and mentally diseased!
by ADJUSTMENTS inthis sounds like the typical rank and file jw, it's actually a mental disorder, i and many others were once in this state.... delusional disorder is an uncommon psychiatric condition in which patients present with delusions, but with no accompanying prominent hallucinations, thought disorder, mood disorder, or significant flattening of affect.
[ 1 ][ 2 ] delusions are a specific symptom of psychosis.
non-bizarre delusions are fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life; examples include being followed or poisoned.
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Adjustements: you have indeed mentioned references, but the point is you are mixing ,a lot of psychiatric disosters,: but is too complex, to take some conclusions if you are not specialized in the area of psychiatry.. I also have to be prudent in analysing, and stabilizing, because every person has is own History, and I hope that you understand my point...