This change is not new, but for more information call the local branch of the Watch Tower Society, and hear their answer.( like I Did a Time ago)..and you will now the answer.. or ask a CO when he visit your congregation, and ask him about tht two witness rule, and you will hear it...but I repeat if someone of you has recent information that this has changed Again, but I don't thinks so, I will hear it..
Posts by Enzo
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105Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"
by AndersonsInfo injehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.
if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.
and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.
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Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"
by AndersonsInfo injehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.
if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.
and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.
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Enzo
hi, everybody, from Europe,
by the information I had from reliable sources, is that the two witnesses rule IS NOT apllied anymore on cases of sexual abuse, But if someone has having a strong opinion about it, I can understand your feelings because sexual abuse has to be condemned always..But we must be always being prudent in presenting information about intern procedures used by ReliGious organisations... it is true that in the past the two witness rule was applied, but this isn't the case anymore... Thus dear Barbara, if you are more informed than me about this issue, please present me the latest BOE letters, that are confirming that the two witness rule is still being applied.. greetings to you all...
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Ministers to consult over mandatory abuse reporting
by lurkernomore inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29811206.
i wonder if this is put in force, whether the wtbs will comply or view this as more persecution?!
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I don't think the WTBS will refuse to comply .. They will accept it believe me.. But it must also said that it is not sure if mandatory abuse reporting will be obbligatory.. First there will be a consult with Ministers about the risk, the scope, and the nature of such a mandatory report.. And wich form of sexual abuse must be report.. and then they have to change the law.. And that is not easy, because you have those who are against it, and those who are favourable.. we will see.. I hope that always the safety and the protection of children will be the dominant factor in such consults, and for the rest we will wait and see...
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Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"
by AndersonsInfo injehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.
if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.
and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.
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I hope that justice will done, and that the victims of sexual abuse will have a good psychological assistance during their lives.. But what I am missing here is a measure of balance when these facts are posting .. It's very important to put sexual abuse in the right perspective.. Sexual abuse is found troughout society.. the cases of sexual abuse within the JW's ( horrible, and to be condemmed), are no higher, than in the Catholic church, or other religions.. I think that its important to remind these fact when reporting such cases...about JW's, or other minorities..
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Mental Disorders among JW's
by Blackfalcon98 inhi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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talesin: Thank you for your clarification about the word you use in English: Mental ilness..I will remember it. And I agree with your research about cognitife dissonance..It can lead indeed to depression.. But there is a difference between depressio, and a bipolair disorder, or Schizofrenia.. there are a lot of others factors involved when somebody has these mental ilnesses.. not enough serotonine and if we speak about BD in most cases it can be ereditary.... That is my opinion based on my experience on the field with mental ilnesses.. at other hand patients with a strong belief in God are reacting better on therapy than others.. That I have seen with my own Eyes.. Thank you for your research.. more scientific studies must be done before we can get some conclusions, because until now it is only presented as a possibility...or only suggested.. And using statistics like someone is not very convincing at this moment...
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Mental Disorders among JW's
by Blackfalcon98 inhi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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Oubliette: indeed I made a mistake: PD means Psychiatric disorders.. I have no problem to correct a mistake... That can not be said from anybody.. Isn't it? And by the way if my post are incomprehensible for you, than it is not a great efford, to ask for more clarification..But you are from the same category of Cedars.. like to criticize, but don't like to be criticised, when manipulated information is presented...and that's the case of your opinions presented here about Religion being the dominant factor why JW's has PD's..
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Plano Star Courier: Latest news coverage about Dallas lawsuit filed against the WT
by AndersonsInfo inlatest newspaper coverage containing more details on the newly filed lawsuit against the watchtower.. lawsuit alleges exploitation, negligence, fraud throughout organization.
plano.jpgrelated documents.
jehovah's witness lawsuit.
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Thank you Barbara for your accurate information about this lawsuit..I will follow the result of this particular case, and also the final result of the Conti case...
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Mental Disorders among JW's
by Blackfalcon98 inhi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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Oubliette: your gues was wrong: PS means Psychiatric orders.. And that's the problem with you... to gues, to allude, to assume before asking, or having accurate information.. you are presenting statistics about different countries.. Great! But they don't prove that Religion is a dominant factor why people has Psychiatric disorders.. in your previous post you did indeed presented that opinion.. But again you are not specialized in PD, again, it is too complex, and this work has to be done by specialized doctors..in PD, thus I will forgive your ignorance, and I think other well thinking members too.
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Mental Disorders among JW's
by Blackfalcon98 inhi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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Oubliette: you think that statistics about PD from one nation are sufficcient to the psychiatric world to make such claims about JW's, or other religious people? who' is suggesting this? You are putting here some statistics about America, and then are making your own conclusions... I can understand blondie and other members who use their thinking abilities, that these conclusions are personal idea's, and never found in the Psychiatric Literature..
frankiespeakinn: I don't now if you are a JW, but the watch Tower you quoted is from 1963, and these instructions are not used anymore.. I know personal a JW who is a trained psychologist, and a lot of Jehovah Witnesses are going there to be threatened, with good results.. A view of them where encouraged by the CO, and very wise elders.. The organisation of JW is taking another direction about psychiatric disorders because they can not cured only by spiritual Assistance, and they are admitting it, and don't interfere anymore in these matters... despite the fact that a view here are using information about the elders book, or quoting Watch Tower literature.. These instructions are changed Now..
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Mental Disorders among JW's
by Blackfalcon98 inhi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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Good night from Europe, I agree with blondie, nobody of you has the credentials of being a psychiatrist, and are suggesting and alluding things based on articles you have found on internet, or somewhere else.. It must be noted that a psychiatric disorder it's a worldwide problem, and not only related to Religious people.. these kind of statements are not supported by the psychiatric world..more scientific and accurate research must made worldwide, and statistics must be presented by the psychiatric world, before I will accept these statements...
Greetings Enzo..