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  We're not dealing with sincere anointed who genuinely believe their teachings but scam artists

  by truthseeker in

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  looking at all the doctrinal teachings over the last five years, it's almost impossible for any person of conscience who originated such doctrine to do a complete u-turn and change it when the passage of time has proved beyond doubt that doctrine is no longer credible.. i say this with reference to the generation of 1914. they were so sure.

  it was part of the awake!

  masthead for decades that those who saw the events of 1914 would also see the great tribulation.. .

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  “truthseeker”: “Either they are fooling themselves OR they are perpetuating a SCAM on the body of believers.”

  I think that they are fooling and scamming themselves on a deeply subconscious level, but on another level they are operating in cognitive dissonance as they try to perpetuate and craftily sculpt the lies. It seems that, as a whole, the GB is struggling to keep up with itself. It is like a criminal who deep down knows he has committed a serious crime but keeps reinventing and reaffirming to others and himself a lie – a sort of hopeless “fake it ’till you make it” strategy; or, more like a “fake it ’till you believe it yourself (or at least try to believe it yourself)” strategy.

  “truthseeker”: “. . . chronology has backed them in a corner, and they have no way out except to change the teaching, but in doing so they have lost credibility among themselves and the flock . . .”

  Indeed!

  “flipper”: “For the money and the power. And the control.”

  Those defects of human character really come through, don’t they!
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  A short list of inconsistencies

  by All for show in

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  does anyone have a short list of inconsistencies or can write some out for me, from both the bible and wt doctrine.

  things such as: jobs test and noah's ark not being enough for gods sovereignty, why not just let adam and eve die without having children, tower of babel after the flood, jws can die at armageddon yet even satan gets more time.

  the ultimate stopper for me is when people say its about jehovahs kingdom and sovereignty and we preach to save the wicked.

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  To: “All for show”:

  Aside from Biblical inconsistencies you mentioned regarding Adam and Eve, Noah, and Job, if you want a most excellent comprehensive list of all the inconsistencies of the Watchtower Society, I’ve found that you can’t do any better than the research work called “Spiritual Food At the Proper Time” at freeminds.org. It contains little excerpts directly from the Watchtower literature in chronological order, along with the occasional brief yet concise explanatory comments. You will find it extremely useful as a research tool. That was really the thing that did if for me around 15 years ago. It makes is so extremely obvious that we are dealing with a dishonest and arrogant cult! Below are the links to this fine information:

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/key.htm

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/part2.htm

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/part3.htm

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/part4.htm
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  Feeling sad over a wasted life in watchtower

  by wannaexit in

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  it's been 12 years since i first read ray franz's books and the scales came off my eyes.

  by that time i was in my forties.. since 2002 i went back to school and have worked with 3 very professional organizations.

  but my biological clock is ticking away and while my peers are looking forward to retirement, i am only beginning.

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  “wannaexit”: “While my peers are looking forward to retirement, I am only beginning.”

  I can certainly relate to that. I thought that I would be married long ago, but according to the WTS I would have to be a ministerial servant in order to be worthy of marrying a woman. That’s why I say, retrain a lawyer and at least know what your legal options are regarding this most destructive cult.
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  What have you learned, Terry, from TEN YEARS on this discussion board?

  by Terry in

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  1. it's not all about me.. each of us has to grow up our own way at our own pace.

  when we regain our balance we can be of help to other people.

  life doesn't.

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  “Terry”: “JW's think "accurate knowledge" is an excuse for lip-service kinds of love. But, it is an awfully empty and cold substitute.”

  JWs really don’t know the meaning of “love.” Their idea of “love” is just tantamount to “towing the [party] line.”

  “Terry”: “Intellectual honesty means you are WILLING to be WRONG if facts and evidence go against your cherished beliefs and opinions.”

  What always strikes me is the fact that the WTS has never actually come out and apologized for its many careless blunders; i.e., 1925, 1975, as well as “alternative military service” (you may be familiar with that), organ transplants, etc.

  “Terry”: “We are soooooo comfortable allowing the "other" to tell us what is "good" and bad.”

  Good point. It’s interesting that according to Sigmund Freud, the religious idea of God is, in fact, just a manifestation of the innate and subconscious need for a father figure.

  Unfortunately, religion is responsible for a lot of that “negativity,” which is really nothing more than a manifestation of the defects of character common to humanity; i.e., greed, power, and fear.
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  Hello!

  by mikeypants in

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  wanted to say hello to you all.

  i am new to the forum and just wanted to introduce myself.

  i was raised a witness, never baptized (yay) and am married to a lovely baptized witness of jehovah.. i had been trying to get back into it due to both our families being j dbs but just never could get it into my heart.

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  To “mikeypants”: Welcome to the Board! First of all, it’s a good thing that you were never baptized. My best friend was never baptized and thus has sort of fallen through the cracks. Stay away from that JW “holy water” at all costs.

  “My sister called an elder friend of hers and told him are evil plans. He of course contacted my wife and tried to talk her our of marrying the devil.”

  “skeeter1”: “The elders wouldn't do it.”

  Guys, if I were you, I would have a free consultation with a lawyer to weigh my legal options in dealing with this blatant attempt at coercion. It should really be considered unacceptable to use marriage as a bargaining tool to further a manmade “religion.”

  “mikeypants”: “. . . the Awake mag from 1994 with children on the cover who died for listening to the GB freaks.”

  That particular issue of Awake! really struck a nerve with me, as well as a huge number of others, as being most distasteful and offensive! That should be an enormous red flag to anyone!
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  Jehovah's Witnesses--- A Religion About Nothing

  by minimus in

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  they say that seinfeld was a tv program about nothing.

  in the end, it was all silliness.. this religion is inconsequential in the big scheme of things.

  it's stupid.. .

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  “stuckinarut2”: “Hey SAHS, I'm begin doubting you, but where did you get the 36% figure of bornins remaining? I would love to use this stat in casual chats with witnesses....”

  “Besides me, at least 75% of the kids I grew up with in the congregation are out – for good. Many of these were good kids too.” – http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/young-ones-leaving.php

  Also, search for the occurrences of the word “leave” in the following Web page:

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php

  There’s your answer, bud.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses--- A Religion About Nothing

  by minimus in

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  they say that seinfeld was a tv program about nothing.

  in the end, it was all silliness.. this religion is inconsequential in the big scheme of things.

  it's stupid.. .

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  “DesirousOfChange”: “All JWs have been told (by HQ) is that they are the fastest growing religion, . . . they the "little one" that will become a thousand, . . . only they evangelize over 1 BILLION hours, . . .”

  Well, actually any supposed “increase” is primarily just the result of the birthrate of born-ins. The WTS is known for its “clever” manipulation of statistics, and they don’t exactly advertise the throngs either slipping out the back door (fading) or parading right out the front door (disassociating). Don’t forget: only 36% of born-ins remain in the cult. (Gee, I wonder why. )

  “Iown Mylife”: “Just be really nice to people and visit them and show interest in their life stories, then they will feel obligated to go along with what you want, which is to give money, and find other people to give money, to the org which claims to represent the Creator of the Universe.”

  In relation to any standard business model, this would be called a “pyramid scheme,” which is understandably an illegal form of exploitation. However, unfortunately, as it is classified as a “religion,” thus enjoying the protection of “ecclesiastical privilege” under the secular laws, including tax-free status, it can effectively get away with what amounts to a global pyramid scheme. And they don’t even have to pay their workers any salary. With that and the power they have to threaten and execute disfellowshippings, I’d say that they have a pretty good thing going. . . . at least while operating in such a tolerant capitalist system – and they milk it for all it’s worth!
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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

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  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  “minimus”: “That Christ became King in 1914.”

  Actually, the famous book The Gentile Times Reconsidered, by Carl Olof Jonsson, completely, thoroughly, and absolutely destroys the WTS’ 607 BCE / 1914 CE crap! I know; I’ve read it. It’s very definitive.

  “tim hooper”: “The March 1970 KM reported on how well publishers were doing in dropping unproductive bible students so that others could "benefit" from receiving a Bible study in the short time remaining.”

  And, of course, what little blue book did the WTS produce en masse throughout the 1970s apparently to facilitate that “six-month home Bible-study program”? You guessed it: The Truth that Leads to Everlasting Life (originally published in 1968). But the interesting thing about that book – as well as all the other books all along – is that it has been outdated/superseded by a whole dazzling techno laser beam show of “new light.” That’s right – all those countless tons and tons of books produced (and trees wasted) are effectively nothing more than cheap kindling for your fireplace! Now, if that doesn’t say “false prophets,” then I don’t know what does.

  “The Searcher”: “Christians are witnesses for God? Not in my Bible!!”

  Well, what about the scripture which says that all true Christians are to be witnesses of Jehovah in association with his spirit-directed organization? What about that? It’s found at . . . umm, . . . well, it’s at . . . ummmm, . . . . . . . . okay, that particular scripture is at . . . it’s in the book of . . . well, its at . . . . . . . . oh, damn it, I can’t find it anywhere in the Bible at all! Okay, I guess it’s not in there. [big surprise!]

  “pcop”: “Remove the "emotional" element from it all and recognize that "the truth" is not human and it is not of human origin. The truth is not within any religious organization on earth because neither God or Christ established any religion on earth. Men did this on their own accord.”

  And the trophy goes to: “pcop”! That is the most logical thing I’ve heard this week, for sure. Thumbs up!
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  Tight Pants , a Bethel Bro replies

  by Phizzy in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8szhnltnkme.

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  “Steve_C”: “Start @ 1:45 for some tight pants that even AMIII couldn't look away from.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gxg5HWTIAY&feature=youtu.be&t=1m45s”

  Well, as long as that purple-wearing choreographer guy in that clip of the song “Keep It Gay” in that movie The Producers doesn’t go out jogging in that spandex. That’s what Anthony Morris III has a big beef (no pun intended) about. Although, that Morris idiot/prick doesn’t realize that that is what it’s for! (Jogging/exercising.)
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  Attracting young ones to the org

  by Gratefullyunstuck in

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  noticing a lot of posts and behaviours of the org that they seem to be trying to appeal to the younger generation.

  im wondering if they are jumping on the back of a popular young clothing brand called jack wills.. a lot of their clothes have jw logo on them.

  i wonder when searching this logo 'jw' on internet, where the search takes them?....................hmmmmmm!.

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  “LP97”: " This cult is now at a choice, it either has to loosen up to keep members at the risk of becoming just another denomination, or tighten up and go into super-cult mode where the fence sitters get scared off. I really hope it's the former. ”

  Actually, I hope it’s the latter (“tighten up and go into super-cult mode where the fence sitters get scared off”) rather than the former (“loosen up to keep members”). That way, at least everyone will get to see what a harsh and arrogant cult it really is, which will cause all the more to wake up and get out.