My grandson Julian is athiest and the Episcopal Church still loves him and supports his unique journey.
FlyingHighNow
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What do Baptists believe?
by quellycatface ini'm thinking about going to church again because i'm really interested in god (today)!!.
sometimes i'm so confused and feel like there is no god, other days i do and want to try and get to know him.. i guess i'm scared because of all the bs that went on in the kh.. there is a local baptist church near me that seems nice.
i'm in the uk.
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What do Baptists believe?
by quellycatface ini'm thinking about going to church again because i'm really interested in god (today)!!.
sometimes i'm so confused and feel like there is no god, other days i do and want to try and get to know him.. i guess i'm scared because of all the bs that went on in the kh.. there is a local baptist church near me that seems nice.
i'm in the uk.
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FlyingHighNow
Try the most liberal Anglican church you can find then. Here in the USA, the evangelical Lutherans are in complete communion with the Anglican church. They are very similar to the Episcopal Church. Look at church websites. Usually the priest or pastor of a church will sit down with you and answer your questions. Look at the websites. Visit the church for the later meeting on a Sunday. Ask for a meeting with the priest or pastor. Go loaded with questions. Are you liberal? Do you have fun? What kind of outreach programs do you have? How does your church look after its members? Any questions important to you, ask them. Really listen to the answers. It's a fact finding thing. Later if you have questions on doctrine, etc, you can find out about those.
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I've only JUST worked this out....
by quellycatface inmany times at the kh i heard the various brothers boasting how the kh had good numbers in attendance and the churches of christendom did not.. i 've just worked out why this is; you cannot leave.
you either fade, get df'd or da yourself.
talk about hobson's choice.. talk about me seeing the light!!!.
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The average church size in the USA goes between 100 and 200 regularly attending members.
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What do Baptists believe?
by quellycatface ini'm thinking about going to church again because i'm really interested in god (today)!!.
sometimes i'm so confused and feel like there is no god, other days i do and want to try and get to know him.. i guess i'm scared because of all the bs that went on in the kh.. there is a local baptist church near me that seems nice.
i'm in the uk.
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FlyingHighNow
I really enjoy singing and like the idea of "refreshments" after the religous stuff. Somewhere I can be myself but love god as well.
A tall order?
No. Are you in the UK or America? Try Anglican or Episcopalian, very Catholic, without the control. Lots of celebrating.
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What do Baptists believe?
by quellycatface ini'm thinking about going to church again because i'm really interested in god (today)!!.
sometimes i'm so confused and feel like there is no god, other days i do and want to try and get to know him.. i guess i'm scared because of all the bs that went on in the kh.. there is a local baptist church near me that seems nice.
i'm in the uk.
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FlyingHighNow
The Baptist church in the UK is very diffrent from the USA. Far more liberal but still biblical literalists.
I am mostly familiar with Southern and primitive Baptists here in the USA.
My brother, who is transgendered and now my sister, poor lady, she was a Baptist youth minister. Imagine how confused she is. She understands that what she is, well it's not sinful. She doesn't understand that being gay isn't sinful.
She actually was tolerated while she only cross dressed. Once she had her first surgery and hormonal treatment she was fired from a $70,000 a year job, where she had cross dressed for seven years. Her boss was a connection from her church. She was very, very competent in her field. Then the church really didn't shun her, but made it clear she was "sinful" and that she would be welcomed with open arms, because they loved her so much, if she decided to assign herself again as a man. It's like they love David, but are so held back by their dogma that they are confused what to do with Sarah.
So, Sarah doesn't attend church, but still believes and works for minimum wage at a lumber yard chain. She has learned that this company will not allow her to advance into management, even though she would kick @$$ at it, due to all of her background work experience. She thinks it is because she is a she now, but I don't know. She says none of the women head departments there, that they only supervise cashiers or customer service.
My mother brought us to the baptist church for a visit. We were a very ecumenical as a family. Mom, outspokenly, did not like the Baptist dogma and the way they wanted to save everyone. Not sure why she brought us. Later the local Baptist churches would come and try to bribe us kids to hop on their sunday busses. I found that revolting. I went to church with my friend, when we were 13 and I cringed as people did their testimonies or went up to be saved. It was so very different from our church, which was the Episcopal, Anglican, Church. Our church didn't try to save people, comandeer children with promises of candy and prizes, ever mention hellfire or being saved. They had their beautiful ritual, but in practice openly discussed the difference between ancient doctrine and the unique spiritual journeys that all people were on and that God's love was for all of his children. God was never used to scare or shame us. My parents never used God to try to scare or shame us. The baptist religion was the polar opposite.
Neither of my parents was a fundamentalist. I've observed that people sometimes feel uncomfortable without high control, so they will gravitate to a fundamentalist church or religion like fundamentalist Islam. They need clear boundaries and don't like it if it is left to them personally to figure out the boundaries. One reason the Anglican church doesn't grow a lot is because they don't brow beat people into compliance or tell them what to do, unless it is to be better, less judgmental people.
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Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law
by adamah inthere's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.
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166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.
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FlyingHighNow
Pregnant women have died for as long as we have had pregnant women, this is the first time anyone has ever misguidedly, attempted to maintain a fetus in a dead woman.
If you go back to page 2 of this thread, there are some examples of other women who died during pregnancy and were kept on life support. Check Sammilee's post number 7663.
Researchers from Heidelberg University in Germany scoured the medical literature for cases of pregnant women who were kept on life support after being declared brain-dead. They were able to find details on 19 such cases that were reported from 1982 to 2010.
Of particular interest:
There were also two cases involving fetuses that were 15 weeks old when their mothers died. One of the fetuses died in utero 49 days after its mother suffered catastrophic bleeding in the brain in Italy in 1992. The other remained in utero for 107 days – more than 15 weeks – after its mother suffered a traumatic brain injury in the U.S. in 1989. That baby boy was delivered by C-section at 32 weeks; he weighed 3.4 pounds, had Apgar scores of 6 and 9 (scores lower than 7 indicate a newborn needs medical attention, according to the National Institutes of Health), and was developing normally 11 months after his birth.
I don't know how much hope there is for this particular baby. We will have to wait to see. But the above two examples show outcomes for babies in similar circumstances and gestational age, to the current baby, at the time of their mothers' deaths.
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What do Baptists believe?
by quellycatface ini'm thinking about going to church again because i'm really interested in god (today)!!.
sometimes i'm so confused and feel like there is no god, other days i do and want to try and get to know him.. i guess i'm scared because of all the bs that went on in the kh.. there is a local baptist church near me that seems nice.
i'm in the uk.
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FlyingHighNow
Gumby, I answered your PM. Three times. Thank you for writing to me. I miss you terribly.
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What do Baptists believe?
by quellycatface ini'm thinking about going to church again because i'm really interested in god (today)!!.
sometimes i'm so confused and feel like there is no god, other days i do and want to try and get to know him.. i guess i'm scared because of all the bs that went on in the kh.. there is a local baptist church near me that seems nice.
i'm in the uk.
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FlyingHighNow
If you need a punishing God, the Baptist Church will sure give you one.
I worshipped at a Baptist church for 9 years after I left the Watchtower.
This explains a lot, Cofty. Wow. It gives me more insight into why you feel as you do now.
Join any group and you give away your intellectual freedom. That is a huge price to pay.
I don't agree. If you prefer intellectual freedom, try an Anglican, Episcopal or Universalist Unitarian church. You won't find a punishing god and your intelligence and unique spiritual journey will be respected. The Unitarian Church may be too broad for you, though.
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Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law
by adamah inthere's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.
code ann.
166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.
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FlyingHighNow
Cord blood transfusions are helping kids with hydroephalus. If you go to the link you can see a video of this beautiful little girl. I know not all cases turn out well, but many do, even with the shunts that have been used for years. My best friend's son had it. He was a preemie with many problems. He was a genius and though he had his challenges, including cerebral palsy, he was glad to be alive and we were glad to have him. He went to school, loved Metallica and lived to be in his 30s. He died from an infection and we all miss him terribly. I still don't know that I wouldn't feel exactly as this brain dead mother's husband and family feel. I can't relate because my daughter didn't experience brain death while pregnant and be continued on life support. I don't have an opinion about whether the possible birth defects would change my view on ending a pregnancy. It is good to look at children who have survived with the three types of defects or malformations you have mentioned. Some have miserable lives and die early while some go on to have challenges, but live their lives. I have had health challenges since I was 13. Health challenges are a part of many lives.
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Experimental procedure changes Charlotte area girl's life
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by MICHELLE BOUDIN / NewsChannel 36 Staff
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Posted on February 20, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Updated Monday, Feb 20 at 4:41 PM
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- A routine ultrasound turned frightening for a local mom as she learned her baby would be born with a life-threatening condition.
Lindsey Musgrave remembers the day when she learned her son Vincent would soon have a sister.
“We were elated,” Lindsey said. “My husband wanted a girl. I wanted a girl. I just wanted a healthy child, though.”
That same ultrasound revealed something else.
“The doctor looked at me and he looked very concerned,” Lindsey recalled. “He said there was something wrong with her brain. It didn't hit me at first. I was thinking it can’t be that serious right? And then he said, ‘No it’s really serious.’”
Her baby's condition was so serious that the doctor told her to consider aborting the pregnancy.
“I asked them if she would ever be able to walk or talk, or ever be able to form relationships and the answer to those questions was, ‘I don't know.’”
Lindsey also asked if the baby would be able to lead a normal life.
“They flat out told me no,” Lindsey said.
Marley was born with a severe case of hydrocephalus, which is excess fluid that puts dangerous pressure on the brain.
Through research her mom learned the little girl’s best hope at a normal life was an experimental procedure being done at just one hospital in the country: Duke University Medical Center.
Newschannel 36 followed Marley there for what’s called a cord blood transfusion.
Cord blood is the baby’s blood leftover in the placenta. Marley’s blood had been stored at Duke University Medical Center where Dr. Joanne Kurtzberg is the pioneer of this type of work. She is studying to see if the procedure that has helped with so many other conditions could actually change the prognosis for babies born with hydrocephalus.
“We’re now testing whether using that baby’s cord blood … in their veins after birth helps repair the brain,” Kurtzberg said.
Families come to Duke from across the United States.
“We originally heard about it from another fellow mom,” Lindsey said.
While waiting for treatment, the moms at the hospital compare notes.
The Milberg's are from St. Louis and went to Duke for the same procedure. They say 8-month-old Eli is at an age where they're hoping to see if the transfusions really work.Elijah, 4, from Virginia seems to be a success story. He was among the first of the hydrocephalus babies to have a cord blood transfusion and is thriving. He's a symbol of hope as Marly just begins the process.
NewsChannel 36 was there as Marly's blood was readied. Grandpa and big brother Vincent watched over her along with a team of doctors and nurses as they prepared for the procedure.
A music therapist was also there to distract the toddler from what was to come.
A few minutes later it was over and the real waiting began. Will the cord blood heal Marley's brain?
“This is hope,” Lindsay said. “This gives us hope.”
“We hope these children will develop normally enough to have functional lives, to not be impaired, and do the things normal kids do and to grow up and have a normal life span, but we don't know until we finished the studies we’re doing,” Kurtzberg said.
Lindsey Musgrave says she doesn’t have to wait to know the transfusion is working.
“There’s never a day when I don’t think about what we were told she wouldn’t do and what kind of quality of life she wouldn’t have. Now to see the total opposite happening, it just blows my mind,” Lindsey said.
Lindsey is now the state director for the Pediatric Hydrocephalus Foundation. She’s trying to spread the word about just how common this is and about the work being done at Duke. For more information go tohttp://www.hydrocephaluskids.org.
“My hopes for my daughter are that she’ll live the best life that she can live,” Lindsey said. “My number one wish is that my daughter will be happy.” -
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Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law
by adamah inthere's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.
code ann.
166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.
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FlyingHighNow
(for those who don't know, 'hydrocephalus' means an accumulation of cerebrospinal fluid in the head which causes the brain and skull to swell, and is common cause of brain damage with cognitive impairment, etc).
I've known several people who had it, 'hydrocephalus" and do very well in life. I knew a thalidomide kid who was the happiest kid, he put all of us with four complete limbs to shame as far as showing how spoiled we were. Then there are kids with heart problems, everywhere.
