BOTR, try reading our posts. I'm pro choice and my stand on the question is not based on religion, any more than yours is. I can tell you though, that I've had two pregnancies and two live births. My doctors called my children babies, just like the mayo clinic and medicenenet do today. Sure, just like human beings go through different stages of development, infancy, toddlerhood, adolescence, etc., where bones and sexual organs are still developing, babies go tbrough the emryonic stage of development, then go through the fetal stage of development. Physicians and people still call the product of conception a baby, though they will sometimes refer to its stage of development. We call someone going through adolescence and an adolescent. The adolescent is still a child. A person's bones don't fully develop until the age of 11 or 12, but the person is still a human being. Though I find the thought of an abortion to be unsettling, I am very, passionately pro choice. You can protest until the cows come home that a fetus is not a baby, but medical literature does not concur. As some of us mentioned earlier, we dont ask parents about the fetus they are expecting, we ask about their baby. In case you just skimmed my comment, again, I am pro choice.