Posts by snugglebunny

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How Radicalised are Jehovah's Witnesses?

by snugglebunny in

back in the early 70's, the wt stated that all persons who had lived and died would be resurrected after armageddon.

only non believers would be killed at armageddon, never to return.

in short, if you died before the big a, you were guaranteed to return.. this gave rise amongst several ex's to concerns that their well-meaning jw parents might just consider the possibilty of having their offspring "lovingly" bumped off so as to ensure their resurrection!.

snugglebunny

Back in the early 70's, the WT stated that all persons who had lived and died would be resurrected after armageddon. Only non believers would be killed at armageddon, never to return. In short, if you died before the big A, you were guaranteed to return.

This gave rise amongst several ex's to concerns that their well-meaning JW parents might just consider the possibilty of having their offspring "lovingly" bumped off so as to ensure their resurrection!

I'm just recalling an article a while back in which mentioned that JW's maybe asked to do something that might seem at first to be an unreasonable course of action. That seemed a little weird.

I guess I'm just rambling a little, but IMHO, anyone who could disown their own children for a religion just has to be pretty radicalised.

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DC2015 New Release: Brochure "Return to Jehovah" for those who faded/left

by Designer Stubble in

it appears that a new 16-page brochure, with the title "return to jehovah" is to be released at the regional convention (dc) this year.

it would be written specifically for those faded or da/df.chapters are:a letter from the governing body1.

the lost one i will search for2.

snugglebunny

It's also for the beneifit of the media. Non-JW's are often astounded when they hear of the harshness of disfellowshipping, I'm betting that the WT will respond by saying that they do all they can to help the DF'd ones to return and quote this booklet.

I suggest quoting their own literature back at them, in particular their misuse of the parable of the prodigal son. They conveniently forget that it was the father himself who ran out to meet the returning son before he'd even arrived at the family home, not the father waiting until the son had had prostrated himself and then waited a year for re-admission.

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Today's groundless speculation thread - so why would a German copilot deliberately fly an airplane into a mountain?

by sir82 in

jw
friends

just can't wrap my head around this.

the guy (a) evidently did all of this on purpose, and (b) evidently had no reason at all to do so.. there is a huge chunk of the puzzle missing from this one (so far)..

snugglebunny

He wasn't impaired. He was breathing normally right up until the end. Also, Airbus have all sorts of safety devices in their aircraft to supposedly prevent pilots from making drastic mistakes. The normal rate of descent for an Airbus coming into land is around 1500 feet of drop per minute. This plane was descending at over 3000 feet per minute, which is the maximum descent rate the onboard computer would allow. So he took his time and calmly waited. There would have been loud audible warnings of "Terrain, terrain" well before impact.

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If The Witnesses Try To Get You Back To Jehovah...How Will You Respond!

by minimus in

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friends

i am most curious.

snugglebunny

I'd say " I don't have a problem with Jehovah, it's just his fan club that drive me nuts".

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Help needed: Written material regarding shunning of DF'd and DA'd individuals

by EdenOne in

i would like this to become a permanent thread, because i think there are grounds - at least in europe - to take this matter up to the european court of human rights.

not sure we'll ever get there, but one must start somewhere.

objective: force, by legal means, the watchtower society and the jehovah's witnesses to stop the practice of shunning ex-jehovah's witnesses, on grounds that it constitutes a violation of human rights.. what is needed: all written material ever published by the watchtower society, especially since 1940's, concerning the practice of shunning.

snugglebunny

JW's become acutely embarrassed about disfellowshipping when it's brought to the notice of non-JW's. It has no martyr quality like the blood issue!

During the "mentally diseased apostates" saga they even lied that shunning was a "personal matter", which of course is patently untrue as refusal to shun is a disfellowshipping offence!

Look at this quote taken from the Independent newspaper, UK:

Rick Fenton, a spokesperson for the Watchtower Society, insisted last night that ostracisation was "a personal matter for each individual to decide for himself". "Any one of Jehovah's Witnesses is free to express their feelings and to ask questions," he said. "If a person changes their mind about Bible-based teachings they once held dear, we recognise their right to leave."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/war-of-words-breaks-out-among-jehovahs-witnesses-2361448.html

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Utah to bring back firing squads

by cofty in

are parts of the usa in a different century from europe?.

why don't they just stone them to death?.

snugglebunny

This guy is about the same age as me and his memories of executions that occurred during his childhood are identical to mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5siEehBQPjM

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JW Child Abuse Makes 'Private Eye'

by Joe Grundy in

following on from the recent thread about wt losing an appeal concerning the uk charity commission (sorry, i can't do the link) i'm pleased to report that this matter is covered in the latest 'private eye' (20 march - 2 april issue).. it's a one-third page article (p.34) under the heading 'child abuse' and the headline 'silent witnesses'.

it reports the case accurately, mentions several criminal cases and the ongoing high court compensation case.

it includes some of judge mckenna's comments..

snugglebunny

The online version is here: Private Eye

The only reference made to the hard copy says:

SILENT WITNESSES
The Jehovah’s Witnesses are criticised for delaying an investigation into safeguarding procedures, potentially putting children at risk.

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Those darned apostates

by berrygerry in

july 15, 1992 wt.

"apostates capitalize on errors or seeming mistakes made by brothers who take the lead.

our safety lies in avoiding apostate propaganda as though it were poison, which in fact it is.".

snugglebunny

Amazing! And yet, 20 - odd years later, they change the identity of the FDS after saying beware of apostates and trust the FDS!

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Must the Elders Always be Told?

by snugglebunny in

i recall that some years ago the wt stated that not all offences need to be reported to the elders, but that confessing serious sins to another person who was not an elder could suffice.

the article stated that this did not include sexual offences and that these must be reported to the elders.. can anyone throw any light on this please?.

snugglebunny

As a young man I was always told that any DF'ing offence committed meant that a JC was the only way towards being absolved from whatever sin one had committed, anything else would result in death at armageddon.

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Must the Elders Always be Told?

by snugglebunny in

i recall that some years ago the wt stated that not all offences need to be reported to the elders, but that confessing serious sins to another person who was not an elder could suffice.

the article stated that this did not include sexual offences and that these must be reported to the elders.. can anyone throw any light on this please?.

snugglebunny

Thanks for that. However, there was defifitely a WT that specifically stated that minor disfellowshipping matters (minor, hah!) could be dealt with by simply confessing to someone else without the need for a JC. The WT also stated categorically that this didn't apply to sexual matters. Probably an 80's or 90's WT.