Posts by snugglebunny

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is armageddon starting ?

by stan livedeath in

the sky is so dark here in the south of the uk.

could be armageddon starting.. or then it could be dust particles in the atmosphere..

Shunning revered?

by new boy in

jw
friends

in 1974 the society had changed there stance on shunning dis-fellowshipping people.

they said you could have limited association with those who were dis-fellowshipped.. what year did they change it back to the old way of shunning people?

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*1974 Flip*.......Those giving up the wrong practice may still manifest some appreciation for Christian truth, perhaps even defending the true Christian congregation when someone speaks evil against it. Should not such circumstances be given due weight and have an effect on our attitude as a congregation toward such ones?

*1981 Flop*......Their refusal to fellowship with an expelled person on any spiritual or social level reflects loyalty to God's standards and obedience to his command ..

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Shunning revered?

by new boy in

jw
friends

in 1974 the society had changed there stance on shunning dis-fellowshipping people.

they said you could have limited association with those who were dis-fellowshipped.. what year did they change it back to the old way of shunning people?

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snugglebunny

So when exactly did they do the flip flop?
It was 1981 that the WT reversed the 1974 softening. I no longer have that WT saved, however, this is the original softening article from 1974:
"Congregational elders, as well as individual members of a congregation, therefore, ought to guard against developing an attitude approaching that which some Jewish rabbinical writers fomented toward Gentiles in viewing them as virtual enemies. It is right to hate the wrong committed by the disfellowshiped one, but it is not right to hate the person nor is it right to treat such ones in an inhumane way. We may note, too, that at 1 Corinthians 5:11 the apostle warns against mixing in company with one who "is" a fornicator or practicer of some other kind of serious wrongdoing. What, however, of the one who has been disfellowshiped for being that kind of person but who thereafter, either at an early point or at a later point in time, gives consistent evidence of discontinuing such wrong practice, stopping it? Can it be said that he or she still "is" a fornicator or whatever type of wrongdoer such a one was that caused him or her to be as "leaven" toward the congregation? For example, a young person disfellowshiped for fornication may thereafter marry, raise a family and live a respectable life. Or one who was disfellowshiped for drunkenness may abandon such practice and, if drinking at all, may do so in moderation only. By such changes these individuals may now regain the respect of the community. Such ones may not yet have come and formally sought reinstatement by the congregation. Is there, however, not an evident difference between these and others who continue right on in the wrongdoing that brought their disfellowshiping? Those giving up the wrong practice may still manifest some appreciation for Christian truth, perhaps even defending the true Christian congregation when someone speaks evil against it. Should not such circumstances be given due weight and have an effect on our attitude as a congregation toward such ones? Surely if the prodigal son of the parable had returned home in a drunken state, perhaps dragging along one of his harlot companions, the father's reaction would not have been the same. But the father had reason to believe that the son was approaching with a right motive and, rather than suspect the worst, the father hoped the best and went out to meet his errant son." Watchtower 1974 Aug 1 pp.467-469

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Shunning revered?

by new boy in

jw
friends

in 1974 the society had changed there stance on shunning dis-fellowshipping people.

they said you could have limited association with those who were dis-fellowshipped.. what year did they change it back to the old way of shunning people?

.

snugglebunny

It was around 74. My parents immediately made contact with me as a result. When the society flip-flopped they didn't go along with the reversal.

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Favorite Quotations from Movies

by compound complex in

"the way you walked was thorny, through no fault of your own, but as the rain enters the soil, the river enters the sea, so tears run to a predestined end.

now you will have peace for eternity.

" -- maleva, the wolf man.

snugglebunny

"Here's to not buggering it up" and more. Can't wait for this to go on release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtJ60u7SUSw

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October 10, 2017 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS Re: Branch Relocation Newsletter (UK)

by wifibandit in

october 10, 2017 to all congregations re: branch relocation—newsletter.

britain branch relocation project edition 6 autumn 2017.

snugglebunny

Watchtower bible and Tract Society of Britain? WTF?

Britain only includes England & Wales. Great Britain also includes Scotland. Great Britain is the WHOLE island, otherwise known as the mainland.

Or has Scotland been disfellowshipped?

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Do They Still do Door-to-Door as Much as Before?

by cofty in

since the advent of the trolleys do the majority of jws still go door to door like we used to?.

do they still have meetings for field service on sat mornings and sun afternoons where most head off to the local territory while one or two go to do trolley work or has the importance of door to door work reduced?.

with the reduction of printing wts and awakes what will they offer at the doors?.

snugglebunny

My ex-mother in law has this down to an art form. She gets out there at 7am, hands a crumpled leaflet to Mr Rashid at the corner shop who promptly bins them because he's just being polite. Then goes back home, handing another leaflet to any passer by, has her breakfast, goes to the group study, out on the ministry again at 10am and, apparently, that means she's been on the ministry for 3 hours already before she's even knocked on a door.

My almost MIL did the same thing but would also offer her mag-route calls baby clothes and the like for a"small contribution"!

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Supporting Waverers - Not Always so Great.

by snugglebunny in

jw
friends

been doing some work on and off for a df'd witness over the last few years.

dennis was df'd in the 80's and they won't have him back.

i don't know what his offence was.

snugglebunny

Been doing some work on and off for a DF'd witness over the last few years. Dennis was DF'd in the 80's and they won't have him back. I don't know what his offence was. He tells me he's written to the congregation several times but gets no reply. I suspect he may not be married to the non-JW lady that he lives with, but suffice to say these two are absolutely loaded and live in great style. New car every year, expensive holidays, landscaped garden, all the modern gadgets. She's also disabled so nothing they do is cheap. I think she may have been in a car accident and received a massive payout. They're both retired and in their 70's although she could be in her 80's.

They're not a likeable couple. Extremely self-centered. Probably no friends. He realised I was an ex a couple of years back when he offered me some JW dot whatever printed-off Watchtower articles and gave me his version of a "little witness". I didn't accept, I told him I'd been brought up in the JW's and wasn't interested.

It's all very odd. The last time we'd spoken - before this week - he said he was on the verge of giving up trying to be reinstated and was ready to call it a day.

But now he's given me some more work and it will pay me well. However, he's once again trying to get me to read his printed-off WT articles. I'm still saying no, not interested. I'm sure that I could blow his fragile beliefs wide apart if I got into a full blown discussion with him.

But this is the problem. I think that if I did just that, Dennis and possibly his lady/wife too would need lots of support if he decided to quit the witnesses altogether. And as mean as it might sound, I'm not prepared to offer that support, particularly as he lives close by.

I'm due to start my next job for him in November. I shall muse on this..and welcome any ideas.

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What was the biggest thing that convinced you that

by Ponyo in

.....the truth was not the truth... ?

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snugglebunny

The book study of Ezekiel's vision of wheels within wheels with eyes in the spokes and all that.

I thought WTF am I doing basing my entire life on this stuff?

So I went to the pub, smoked my first cigar and never went back.

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Do They Still do Door-to-Door as Much as Before?

by cofty in

since the advent of the trolleys do the majority of jws still go door to door like we used to?.

do they still have meetings for field service on sat mornings and sun afternoons where most head off to the local territory while one or two go to do trolley work or has the importance of door to door work reduced?.

with the reduction of printing wts and awakes what will they offer at the doors?.

snugglebunny

Just to add a little frisson in our lives....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VbgyWE67y8