Posts by OrphanCrow

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Instructions from the Old Elder's Book

by John Aquila in

last night i was looking over the notes on my old elders book and one of the instructors told us to write this down.

"when you want to get the friends to believe and obey anything, just keep saying it over and over and over and eventually they will believe it and follow whatever they are being told.

when i went back to school, i learned this quote in one of my world history classes..

OrphanCrow

John: ....a worldly bar...

Lol! Is there any other kind?

We even had a judicial hearing with a sister whose husband went to a worldly bar and had a girl dancer - dance on his lap. We judged it as fornication because the dancer's genitals touched his lap and we gave her permission to divorce him scriptural. Can you believe a bunch of elders in their 20s giving an older woman permission to divorce her husband.

"a bunch of elders in their 20s". Isn't that an oxymoron?

That is astounding on so many levels. Hang on while I pick myself up from the floor.................................Lemme guess. All those 20 somethings had parents who wouldn't let them take sex education in school.

Eh...so....this is what happens when "government minds its own business and keeps its nose out of marriage".

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"Fair Use" copyright ruling

by OrphanCrow in

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friends

the decision to allow fair use of copyrighted material could have an impact on the wts' attempts to use copyright laws to pull content that is critical of them.it is ironic that this ruling was made in response to one of prince's songs.. (this article was posted on exjwreddit)demand that mother remove home video from youtube backfires.

a music companys demand that youtube take down a 29-second home video of two children dancing to a song by prince backfired monday when a federal appeals court used the case to make it harder for copyright-holders to act against brief, non-commercial uses of their material.recording companies, motion picture studios and other copyright owners issue numerous takedown notices each day, targeting everything from home videos to campaign ads that include segments of songs or newscasts.

when a copyright-holder tells a website like youtube that one of its postings violates the holders exclusive rights to license the material, federal law requires that the posting be removed immediately.but the ninth u.s. circuit court of appeals in san francisco said the copyright-holder must first consider whether such a video amounts to fair use of the work, making it eligible to be legally posted.

OrphanCrow

The decision to allow fair use of copyrighted material could have an impact on the WTS' attempts to use copyright laws to pull content that is critical of them.
It is ironic that this ruling was made in response to one of Prince's songs.

(this article was posted on exjwreddit)

Demand that mother remove home video from YouTube backfires

A music company’s demand that YouTube take down a 29-second home video of two children dancing to a song by Prince backfired Monday when a federal appeals court used the case to make it harder for copyright-holders to act against brief, non-commercial uses of their material.
Recording companies, motion picture studios and other copyright owners issue numerous takedown notices each day, targeting everything from home videos to campaign ads that include segments of songs or newscasts. When a copyright-holder tells a website like YouTube that one of its postings violates the holder’s exclusive rights to license the material, federal law requires that the posting be removed immediately.
But the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said the copyright-holder must first consider whether such a video amounts to “fair use” of the work, making it eligible to be legally posted. Fair use includes journalistic accounts and criticism, educational uses for teaching or research, and brief, private postings that don’t damage the commercial market for the work.
The law “requires copyright-holders to consider fair use before sending a takedown notification,” and those that fail to do so can be held liable for damages, said Judge Richard Tallman in the 3-0 ruling, the first on the issue by any appeals court.
The court upheld a decision by a federal judge in San Jose allowing Stephanie Lenz, who posted the video of her children, to go to trial against Universal Music Corp., which was hired to enforce Prince’s copyrights. The company’s takedown order kept Lenz’s video off YouTube for about six weeks in 2007.
The ruling “sends a strong message that copyright law does not authorize thoughtless censorship of lawful speech,” said Lenz’s lawyer, Corynne McSherry of the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco.
“Congress gave copyright-holders extraordinary power to send an e-mail and take content offline,” McSherry said. “With that kind of power comes responsibility to consider whether the posting was authorized.”
Representatives of Universal Music Corp. could not be immediately reached for comment. Music and motion picture industry groups filed arguments supporting the company.

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Washington Post in US: Jehovah's Witnesses Face Child Sex Abuse Investigation in Australia

by cultBgone in

it's finally hit mainstream media in the us!

let's hope some savvy investigative journalists see a pulitzer for opening up this story to cover the us and worldwide cases.. jehovahs-witnesses-face-child-sex-abuse-investigation-in-australia/2015/08/14/.

everyone who is able should hurry up and post comments on their website as the pro-jw forces have rallied and are trying to squash this as libel.

OrphanCrow

Vidiot: You mean "when"...
...or do you a betting girl?

Lol! I am trying to be nice. It's a skill that I have been told I lack at times and I need a little practice in diplomacy.

Nope. I'm not gonna bet. I don't like the odds. ;p

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Washington Post in US: Jehovah's Witnesses Face Child Sex Abuse Investigation in Australia

by cultBgone in

it's finally hit mainstream media in the us!

let's hope some savvy investigative journalists see a pulitzer for opening up this story to cover the us and worldwide cases.. jehovahs-witnesses-face-child-sex-abuse-investigation-in-australia/2015/08/14/.

everyone who is able should hurry up and post comments on their website as the pro-jw forces have rallied and are trying to squash this as libel.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: From the WT? Are you f**king kidding me???
They're gonna fight this tooth and nail.

True enough. I was making the statement in general, refering to all the institutions that took part in the Commission, not just the JWs.

Huh. If the WTS digs in their heels and the rest of the other institutions step up to the plate in giving redress, it will look very bad for the WTS.

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Washington Post in US: Jehovah's Witnesses Face Child Sex Abuse Investigation in Australia

by cultBgone in

it's finally hit mainstream media in the us!

let's hope some savvy investigative journalists see a pulitzer for opening up this story to cover the us and worldwide cases.. jehovahs-witnesses-face-child-sex-abuse-investigation-in-australia/2015/08/14/.

everyone who is able should hurry up and post comments on their website as the pro-jw forces have rallied and are trying to squash this as libel.

OrphanCrow

Gayle: What the government does in 2017 can only be guessed. The WT. has time to collect a lot of donations and sell Kingdom Halls by then.

It wouldn't surprise me if redress payments are started before the final report is ready. In Canada, when the Residential Schools were being investigated, the reconciliation payments for residential school survivors were put in place long before the final Truth and Reconciliation report was released.

I don't know if Australia has plans to start the redress right away, but I did read an article that concerned another institution (Catholic, I think) that was already preparing to make payouts. (I have been looking for the article...can't find it yet!...I will post it when I do).

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The only way to know God exists!

by iconoclastic in

do everything as god would do if he were present here.

this will attract his attention, and you will experience his invisible hands blessing everything you do, giving you results more than what you sowed.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------.

hence put to the test the above, and then you can make really authentic comments!.

OrphanCrow

The one who created and gave us trees as our guiding principle.

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Canadian Bethel among the secretive charities

by gone for good in

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/11/15/audit_of_charities_encounters_resistance.html.

interesting canadian information on popular charities.

regarding the "cushion" factor that mentions how many years these charities could continue to function without a single donation remember that the wt brranches download all proceeds directly to new york.. classic cult conduct in handling donated fundswith minimal transparency.

OrphanCrow

Jwleaks, I don't think that what you posted is 'the' Financial report at all - it looks like a page from a financial audit that states the changes in fund balances for the charity.

What is your source?

For a detailed financial report for the Canadian Branch, go to this thread here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/311690001/canada-branch-finances-whats-going-on

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Implications of gay marriage ruling

by Rattigan350 in

while many think that the ruling is good for the gays and their response is: how does that affect your marriage; then on the other side the religious people cry god and sinners.

but both are missing the forest through the trees.. the problem with the ruling is that which is discussed here so many times.

five unelected federal officials decided on policy for the whole country, running roughshod over every democratic principle.

OrphanCrow

VI: Who would decide child custody cases and divorce disputes over property?

Uummmm....church elders? I guess?

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my 2cents on the reason for keeping tabs on inactive

by poopie in

jw
friends

i think there is.

2 schools of thoght on the reasons why they want records on inactive school 1.round this loose ends up we have to many fadeing and getting amnesty we want to keep tabs on them because they have influence on those still active so tighten up no loopholes make them pay for leaving the organization, school2.these are sincerely.

intrested in helping those who hate our guts because we treated them in an unloveing way or they feel your just are a little stupid and let the loveing shepards help you so it is intresting i also think the circuit ovetseers and yes men have hoodwinked the gb into thinking everthing is just dandy in spirtual paradise these reasons why some ate inactive will be eye opening to some of the gb and hopefully they will see people as fellow humans and not stupid little chilldren that need a human master.

OrphanCrow

I think that they are trying to dissasociate themselves from those who aren't under their control. That would be why they need names and such.

There has been so much negative publicity concerning JW child abuse and other nefarious matteres, that they want to assertively say "Hey! He is NOT a JW! We talked to him last week - see...he is not one of us."

The WTS is cutting ties with anyone who could potentially get in some kind of trouble that would get media attention.

I think they are "cleaning" so they can draw a clear line between the JW who got charged with child rape and the bad guy who did it because he wasn't a JW.

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Update on Royal Commission - "Child sex abuse inquiry hears 4000th testimony"

by OrphanCrow in

newcastle heraldchild sex abuse inquiry hears 4000th testimonyby joanne mccarthy sept. 10, 2015, 10:30 p.mthe royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse held its 4000th private hearing in a jail in august as britain followed australias lead in tackling child sexual abuse.the royal commission heard evidence on august 19 from a prisoner who had been sexually abused as a child.in britain, the head of its newly established independent inquiry into child sexual abuse praised the remarkable response to the australian commission.in a speech to australian church leaders on thursday, royal commissioner justice peter mcclellan said he was pleased the british inquiry would closely follow successful australian arrangements.more than 1500 people were waiting for a private hearing and about 40 people a week requested a private hearing, justice mcclellan said.the royal commission has received 16,361 allegations involving 3566 institutions since it was established in november 2012 following the newcastle heralds shine the light campaign for a royal commission into historic child sexual abuse.more than 7000 allegations relate to religious institutions, with 4418 against the catholic church, and more than 3600 against government institutions.allegations against other churches are: anglican, 871; uniting church, 411; presbyterian, 123; methodist, 69; salvation army, 519; jehovahs witnesses, 137; jewish, 80; baptist, 59; seventh day adventist, 56; australian christian churches, 50; lutheran, 32; brethren, 30; mormon, 18; coptic orthodox, 4; and greek orthodox, 2.justice mcclellan said the royal commission had referred 727 matters to police to investigate with a view to prosecuting alleged offenders.in the past few weeks, the royal commission had reported to the federal government on a national redress scheme for victims of abuse.it was clear that time limits presented a considerable, and sometimes an insurmountable, burden for survivors wishing to commence civil proceedings against child sex offenders and institutions, he said.the royal commission should also mark the end of the societal norm that children should be seen but not heard, he said.when the required silence of the child was accompanied by an unquestioning belief by adults in the integrity of the carer ... the power imbalance was entrenched to the inevitable detriment of many children, justice mcclellan said.we must ensure that in the future the institution does not silence the child.

OrphanCrow

Suzann: I was just curious as to why it says there were 137 allegations against JW's when we know there are over 1000 perpetrators?

The number of perpetrators is the number in the WTS files that the Commission subpoened.

The 137 allegations is the number of victims that have given testimony. The Commission doesn't subpoena victim testimony. It is voluntary. 137 victims have come forward to give statements to the Commission.

I think that is what the 137 means...