Deaf Aotearoa has asked the Jehovah's Witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.
New Zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the Jehovah's Witness church is targeting deaf households.
Deaf Aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.
The organisation released a statement on Monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.
Jehovah Witness spokesman Rod Spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.
The Deaf Aotearoa statement was posted on the group's Facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.
One woman said a group of Jehovah's Witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here." She said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.
Another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.
Hamilton man Royce Flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.
He said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.
Flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the Office of the Privacy Commissioner.
He said he had been been in contact with local Labour member of parliament Sue Moroney.
Deaf Aotearoa acting chief executive Jill Dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.
"Certainly the concerns that have been raised recently are about how do the church know where deaf people are."
With the number of deaf who primarily sign only around 4000, Dean said she found it "an almighty coincidence" that a "minority church" would have turned up at the number of deaf homes they had with a signer in tow.
"It's beyond reasonable to think it's a coincidence," she said.
Dean's main concern was for privacy of the community.
"Deaf people value their privacy very highly," she said.
"I think a lot of that is around that it's very difficult for people to have a private conversation … usually there is a third person involved."
"It's a very precious thing. Any kind of breach of that, it just feels very much worse to a deaf person."
"It's difficult, people are isolated and it can be quite an intimidating to have several people on your doorstep."
She said she would be waiting for a response from the church but if the answers received were unsatisfactory, the organisation would escalate the matter to the privacy commissioner.
Spinks said he was unaware of the allegations and said there was no database.
"I think it's well known that Jehovah's Witnesses call on every house in the community," he said.
"We certainly are not targeting deaf people, we call on everyone and we speak many languages."
Spinks said thousands of church members has taken the time to learn sign language and it was common for people to have basic signing skills.
He said groups who went out visiting did not intentionally knock on the doors of deaf people.
But, he said, if the church members met a deaf person and couldn't communicate with them, it was likely that somebody who could communicate would return to the house - if it was felt the person was responsive.
He said the claims of "targeting" sounded like a misunderstanding, and should he see a complaint, the church would "take it seriously straight away."
Dean said deaf people who felt harassed should contact the local meeting house of the church and make a complaint.
"[Let] people know they're not welcome to call in any unsolicited way," she said.
"If people are wanting to make a complaint, we've got staff around the country happy to support them."
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Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness church
by OrphanCrow indeaf aotearoa flooded with complaints about jehovah's witness churchkashka tunstalllast updated 15:22, october 6 2015deaf aotearoa has asked the jehovah's witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.new zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the jehovah's witness church is targeting deaf households.deaf aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.
the organisation released a statement on monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.jehovah witness spokesman rod spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.the deaf aotearoa statement was posted on the group's facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.one woman said a group of jehovah's witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here.
" she said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.hamilton man royce flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.he said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the office of the privacy commissioner.he said he had been been in contact with local labour member of parliament sue moroney.deaf aotearoa acting chief executive jill dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.
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Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness churchKASHKA TUNSTALLLast updated 15:22, October 6 2015
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How to Read Financial Statements
by JeffT ini just put an entry on my blog.
thought it might be useful in all the discussions about money.
feel free to post questions or comments either here or on my blog.. http://pathologicallyintellectual.blogspot.com/.
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Marvin: The Euro is heavily driven by the German economy. My money would have gambled the Euro would make gains against the US dollar in the months ahead. But this VW (German!) thing that has recently become known changes the math for me.
Hmmm. I wonder how much this recent German "thing" has affected certain prominent German JWs. You know...the ones who recently got long term funding from an undisclosed source.
I wonder if those JWs have had to change their math, too.
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How to Read Financial Statements
by JeffT ini just put an entry on my blog.
thought it might be useful in all the discussions about money.
feel free to post questions or comments either here or on my blog.. http://pathologicallyintellectual.blogspot.com/.
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Thank you, Jeff. I guess that is one of the advantages of being an international organization when just moving money around between countries can result in a profit. Nice gig.
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Annulment of baptism for a minor?
by Tornintwo ini've seen references to baptism annulment on a few websites, does anyone know if there has ever been a successful annulment of a baptism?.
eg.
a minor claims they didn't understand a key wtbts teaching prior to baptism, is there any realistic chance of annulment?
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Question:
Does a JW child require parental permission to enter into the baptismal agreement?
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Annulment of baptism for a minor?
by Tornintwo ini've seen references to baptism annulment on a few websites, does anyone know if there has ever been a successful annulment of a baptism?.
eg.
a minor claims they didn't understand a key wtbts teaching prior to baptism, is there any realistic chance of annulment?
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A dunked duck.
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How to Read Financial Statements
by JeffT ini just put an entry on my blog.
thought it might be useful in all the discussions about money.
feel free to post questions or comments either here or on my blog.. http://pathologicallyintellectual.blogspot.com/.
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Sorry about that, Oubilette. It is Sunday morning wake and bake time here and my funny bone is happy. But, I feel bad you spilled your coffee and I will buy you a Timmy's if you ever make it up to Canada.
JeffT, I have a question for you, our resident financial guru. This has been in the back of my mind for a while and I can't seem to find the information on it.
It concerns the international transfer of funds. Can someone take advantage of fluctuating exchange rates and make a profit by simply moving money around between countries?
There is an awful lot of money that flows into the New York coffers from other countries and, some of that money flows back into the other countries. It seems, though, that always the larger amount goes to New York.
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How to Read Financial Statements
by JeffT ini just put an entry on my blog.
thought it might be useful in all the discussions about money.
feel free to post questions or comments either here or on my blog.. http://pathologicallyintellectual.blogspot.com/.
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Oubilette: Can you imagine what it must be like for someone with actual business sense to try and give financial advice to Stephen Lett? What a nightmare that must be!
Either that, or it could be a total cake walk.
Just imagine how simple you could make it sound..."Just put this dollar in this piggybank, and later, much later, you might get a dollar and ten cents back. The money will come from an overlapping piggy bank...down in paradise island."
Along with..."Just trust me. I am an accountant. And the lawyers said it is a good deal."
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Latest rumor - all WT construction "suspended", except for Warwick
by sir82 inheard 4th-hand, but from a full-on believer, so not likely to be an "apostate lie":.
apparently, at bethel's morning worship this morning, it was announced that all worldwide wts construction is "suspended" for an indefinite time, except for the new world headquarters at warwick.. also, the "relocation" of remote translating teams is also suspended.. finally, there will be a "worldwide" reduction in bethel personnel.. all this came to me in a non-english language, and,as noted, 4th-hand.
so it is possible something may have been lost in translation and/or in the multiple steps between bethel morning worship & me.. but if true, it would be quite stunning.
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drawcad: about two weeks ago I was talking to a brother who had just come back from Warwick. He was there to help out with the tile work. That is what he does in the real world. He told me that some times they had to do a job 2 or 3 times before it was up to standards. I thought, isn't this what you do for a living. Then I thought, maybe it is all of the incompetent help that you are given to do the project.
You are right, drawcad, the incompetent help would not have the knowledge or skills to be competent helpers for tile installation and I am not surprised there were deficiencies. I would have been surprised it there wasn't.
Most people think that anything to do with the trades is a cake walk. Little do they realize the years and years of training required in order to be proficient at commercial flooring installations. And, all the other trades, too, that require specialized knowledge and skill..
Getting a journeyman certificate in any of the construction trades takes years and years of committment and hard work. It isn't something that just anyone can do.
Egads...I can't imagine being the one to have to tear out a badly installed tile floor and do it again...for the third time. I have done that work before and it isn't pretty. Everybody would have to give me a really wide berth for a while. It wouldn't be safe to come near me or even within a hammer throw of me.
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Thanks, Blondie. That makes sense now.
Methinks I need to get an inkhorn.
;p
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MuddyWaters: I love this!! Thank you for for posting this photo -- and thanks to Orphan Crow here, I love examining the Society's pictures now --......
Cool. According to the leaked letter, the artwork in the new "workbooks"/coloring books has a prominent role. Examining the artwork in the workbook is part of the new meeting format.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/475800002/latest-leaked-boe-letter-elders-oct-4th
In connection with this change, Our Kingdom Ministry is being replaced by a new four-color, eight-page monthly publication entitled Our Christian Life and Ministry—Meeting Workbook (mwb). This publication is intended for Jehovah’s Witnesses and for those who regularly attend our meetings. It outlines the weekly meeting schedule and features artwork designed to make your personal reading of the Bible more meaningful. It is a workbook that prompts you to make personal notes.
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Thereafter, the chairman will introduce the first section of the meeting, called Treasures From God’s Word. The first part in this section will be a ten-minute talk based on the weekly Bible reading and artwork from the work- book.