Posts by OrphanCrow

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Campaigners issue Jehovah's Witnesses abuse warning

by LevelThePlayingField in

source:http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/campaigners-issues-jehovahs-witnesses-abuse-warning-11364008972682.

victims of child abuse within the jehovah's witnesses may never see the perpetrators brought to justice unless the government closes a loophole allowing criminals to evade justice, campaigners have warned.. the government has been asked to introduce mandatory reporting to police whenever an allegation of child sex abuse is made within the faith group.. currently, the so-called "two-witness rule" means jehovah's witnesses deal with allegations of "sins" internally and only investigate themselves if the claim is corroborated by a second testimony - something lawyers say is unlikely given that many victims are abused on their own, in private.. concern over the number of "hidden" victims has prompted campaigners to hand a letter to downing street calling on the government to take action.. victim nick french, 43, who was abused by his stepfather gary moscrop from the ages of seven to 13, said introducing mandatory reporting would reduce the risk of paedophiles offending.. the salesman, originally from glasgow but who was raised in brighton, claimed: "when there are institutions that have rules that protect paedophiles, then something really needs to be done about that.. "when it's one word against another, they can get away with it.

certainly in my case, it just allowed him (my abuser) to become worse and worse in his criminal activities.. "what a faith group like the jehovah's witnesses would say about child abuse is they still view it as a sin, rather than a crime.. "in this day and age, as soon as a crime is reported it needs to go to the people who are qualified to deal with such a crime.

OrphanCrow

Zoos: I've heard this excuse too:
"It is not our job as a religion to imprison criminals."

That is true. It isn't their job. And that is why the JW judicial system is woefully inadequate and should never be accepted as a form of "dealing with the abuser".

The JW judicial system does NOT address the issue of child rape. It is a bullshit excuse for ignoring the crime of child abuse.

The JWs are such an insular group that they disregard the effects that disfellowshipping a child abuser will have on the larger community.

Just imagine if a government agency was exposed for firing all their employees that had committed rape while on the job. If the rapists were only fired, and nothing else....the rapists are just expelled from the governement agency but still allowed to roam free in the general population. Would we accept that firing was the best solution to dealing with a rapist that worked for the government? Would that be acceptable...just firing and nothing else done?

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Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness church

by OrphanCrow in

deaf aotearoa flooded with complaints about jehovah's witness churchkashka tunstalllast updated 15:22, october 6 2015deaf aotearoa has asked the jehovah's witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.new zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the jehovah's witness church is targeting deaf households.deaf aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.

the organisation released a statement on monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.jehovah witness spokesman rod spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.the deaf aotearoa statement was posted on the group's facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.one woman said a group of jehovah's witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here.

" she said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.hamilton man royce flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.he said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the office of the privacy commissioner.he said he had been been in contact with local labour member of parliament sue moroney.deaf aotearoa acting chief executive jill dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.

OrphanCrow

Office of the Privacy Commisioner in New Zealand:

https://www.privacy.org.nz/the-privacy-act-and-codes/privacy-act-and-codes-introduction/

The Privacy Act controls how 'agencies' collect, use, disclose, store and give access to 'personal information'.
The privacy Codes of Practice do the same, but they apply to specific areas - particularly health, telecommunications and credit reporting.
Personal information is information about identifiable, living people.
Almost every person or organisation that holds personal information is an 'agency'. So, for example, the Privacy Act covers government departments, companies of all sizes, religious groups, schools and clubs.

...individuals who collect or hold personal information for their own personal, family or household affairs are exempt -- although this ceases to apply once the personal information concerned is collected, disclosed, or used, if that collection, disclosure, or use would be highly offensive to an ordinary reasonable person.

...An interference with privacy can occur when:
(a) an agency wrongfully refuses to give an individual access to information about them, or wrongfully refuses to correct information about them, or
(b) an individual suffers some form of harm as a result of a breach of a privacy principle, rule, or a code of practice or information matching provision.

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Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness church

by OrphanCrow in

deaf aotearoa flooded with complaints about jehovah's witness churchkashka tunstalllast updated 15:22, october 6 2015deaf aotearoa has asked the jehovah's witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.new zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the jehovah's witness church is targeting deaf households.deaf aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.

the organisation released a statement on monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.jehovah witness spokesman rod spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.the deaf aotearoa statement was posted on the group's facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.one woman said a group of jehovah's witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here.

" she said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.hamilton man royce flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.he said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the office of the privacy commissioner.he said he had been been in contact with local labour member of parliament sue moroney.deaf aotearoa acting chief executive jill dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.

OrphanCrow

jwfacts: I'm prepared to contact Deaf Aotearoa and the newspaper and explain what the official process is.

Cool. :)

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Campaigners issue Jehovah's Witnesses abuse warning

by LevelThePlayingField in

source:http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/campaigners-issues-jehovahs-witnesses-abuse-warning-11364008972682.

victims of child abuse within the jehovah's witnesses may never see the perpetrators brought to justice unless the government closes a loophole allowing criminals to evade justice, campaigners have warned.. the government has been asked to introduce mandatory reporting to police whenever an allegation of child sex abuse is made within the faith group.. currently, the so-called "two-witness rule" means jehovah's witnesses deal with allegations of "sins" internally and only investigate themselves if the claim is corroborated by a second testimony - something lawyers say is unlikely given that many victims are abused on their own, in private.. concern over the number of "hidden" victims has prompted campaigners to hand a letter to downing street calling on the government to take action.. victim nick french, 43, who was abused by his stepfather gary moscrop from the ages of seven to 13, said introducing mandatory reporting would reduce the risk of paedophiles offending.. the salesman, originally from glasgow but who was raised in brighton, claimed: "when there are institutions that have rules that protect paedophiles, then something really needs to be done about that.. "when it's one word against another, they can get away with it.

certainly in my case, it just allowed him (my abuser) to become worse and worse in his criminal activities.. "what a faith group like the jehovah's witnesses would say about child abuse is they still view it as a sin, rather than a crime.. "in this day and age, as soon as a crime is reported it needs to go to the people who are qualified to deal with such a crime.

OrphanCrow

"He said: "Anyone who commits the sin of child abuse faces expulsion from the congregation."

But what about the children and potential victims who are not in the congregation? What about them? So what if the pedophile is expelled from the congregation?...the issue is only ignored, not resolved.

I don't give a shit if the JWs disfellowship pedophiles - that action does nothing to address the crime of child abuse. Nothing at all. I am so sick of the JWs using the excuse "Oh, but we keep our congregation clean...we disfellowship them."

That action does NOTHING. It is meaningless.

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No-See-ums bug bites, have you experienced these little pest?

by James Mixon in

jw
friends

the wife and i here lately have received little unknown bug bites, on our legs and arms.. so today in my senior class the instructor ask if anyone received any unknown bug bite.. there were 75% that raised there hand and everyone ask, what the hell is it.. these insects are ferocious biters.

they don't spread any diseases, but they will keep you indoors.. they are called valley blacks gnats, they feed on blood.

in my research i found they are active in.

OrphanCrow

Mann377, yes, I have heard that Skin-So-Soft is good. I would try tea tree oil, too. Tea tree oil works for ticks and most other insects so it might be good for sand flies, too.

Either way...you smell good!

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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

by nicolaou in

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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

OrphanCrow

Marvin:
The cultural bravado of persons willing to prepare themselves with firearms to use in defense of themselves and others is a natural corollary to a willingness to enter live-fire conflicts for essentially the same purpose on a larger scale.

Then the US should have been the first up to the plate, using that logic.

They weren't. If Japan had never bombed Pearl Harbour at the end of 1941, the US would never have bothered to "stand up against Hitler". Don't forget, the rest of the world had been engaged in wWW2 for over two years by the time those stalwart, gun toting Americans decided it was time to do something.

And, in WW1, the US didn't enter the conflict until 1917.

This whole discussion about gun culture in the US having a bearing on the outcome of wars in the 20th century is really misguided and ridiculous. Very ridiculous. Read a history book, please.

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Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness church

by OrphanCrow in

deaf aotearoa flooded with complaints about jehovah's witness churchkashka tunstalllast updated 15:22, october 6 2015deaf aotearoa has asked the jehovah's witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.new zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the jehovah's witness church is targeting deaf households.deaf aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.

the organisation released a statement on monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.jehovah witness spokesman rod spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.the deaf aotearoa statement was posted on the group's facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.one woman said a group of jehovah's witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here.

" she said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.hamilton man royce flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.he said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the office of the privacy commissioner.he said he had been been in contact with local labour member of parliament sue moroney.deaf aotearoa acting chief executive jill dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.

OrphanCrow

tim310rd: While I don't think that there is an issue with JWs having a database of those who are deaf (all of our names and addresses appear on some Compagnie's database), ...

Tim, I don't think that the JWs are sensitive enough to understand that keeping personal information on other people is a violation of privacy. Keeping notes on a person's physical condition is intrusive. I think there is an issue with JWs keeping information on deaf people. If they want to keep that information on their members...go ahead. But it is extremely insenstive and ignorant to keep notes on whether people in your territiory are deaf, blind, disabled, etc.

Londo: If the general public, not just any particular specialize territory like this one, knew the data collected by JWs going door-to-door, there would be an outcry: names, personal details, notes of discussion. Even if a person does not answer, data is collected on the ‘note at home’ slip.

I have always thought that keeping notes and documenting details about householders is creepy. I have never liked it, both when I was a door knocker myself and since. Every time that the JWs have come to my door, I have been creeped out because I know that they will be making notes about who I am and my behavior and then sharing that information with other JWs.

It is a creepy practice.

Umber: Rod Spinks
Orphan! You spelllededed that all wrorngly.......It's Rod Sphinckte mucscler. Please get yoor spellink under control.

Oops! You caught my spelling mistake! Damn...I must edit better. :)

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No-See-ums bug bites, have you experienced these little pest?

by James Mixon in

jw
friends

the wife and i here lately have received little unknown bug bites, on our legs and arms.. so today in my senior class the instructor ask if anyone received any unknown bug bite.. there were 75% that raised there hand and everyone ask, what the hell is it.. these insects are ferocious biters.

they don't spread any diseases, but they will keep you indoors.. they are called valley blacks gnats, they feed on blood.

in my research i found they are active in.

OrphanCrow

No see ums are also called sand flies. Lots of them in Northern Saskatchewan. The sandy soil of the Boreal Forest is a big attraction for them.

And they bite like hell...very itchy. Awful when you go fishing. They actually take little bites of your skin - they don't sting like a mosquito.

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Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...

by Alfred in

so a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).

i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.

but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.

OrphanCrow

notjustyet: Was this the one written by Rutherford?

Rutherford had a hand in the publication of The Finished Mystery, but he did not write it. The Finished Mystery was published after Russell's death but it contained some of Russell's writings.

The Finished Mystery was actually written by Clayton Woodworth and George Fisher - both men were textbook writers for the International Correspondence School - it is unknown as to how much of the material in the book is actually Russell's or how much has been modified/added by the co-authors Woodworth and Fisher.

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Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness church

by OrphanCrow in

deaf aotearoa flooded with complaints about jehovah's witness churchkashka tunstalllast updated 15:22, october 6 2015deaf aotearoa has asked the jehovah's witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.new zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the jehovah's witness church is targeting deaf households.deaf aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.

the organisation released a statement on monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.jehovah witness spokesman rod spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.the deaf aotearoa statement was posted on the group's facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.one woman said a group of jehovah's witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here.

" she said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.hamilton man royce flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.he said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the office of the privacy commissioner.he said he had been been in contact with local labour member of parliament sue moroney.deaf aotearoa acting chief executive jill dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.

OrphanCrow

Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness churchKASHKA TUNSTALLLast updated 15:22, October 6 2015

Deaf Aotearoa has asked the Jehovah's Witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.
New Zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the Jehovah's Witness church is targeting deaf households.
Deaf Aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.
The organisation released a statement on Monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.
Jehovah Witness spokesman Rod Spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.
The Deaf Aotearoa statement was posted on the group's Facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.
One woman said a group of Jehovah's Witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here." She said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.
Another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.
Hamilton man Royce Flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.
He said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.
Flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the Office of the Privacy Commissioner.
He said he had been been in contact with local Labour member of parliament Sue Moroney.
Deaf Aotearoa acting chief executive Jill Dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.
"Certainly the concerns that have been raised recently are about how do the church know where deaf people are."
With the number of deaf who primarily sign only around 4000, Dean said she found it "an almighty coincidence" that a "minority church" would have turned up at the number of deaf homes they had with a signer in tow.
"It's beyond reasonable to think it's a coincidence," she said.
Dean's main concern was for privacy of the community.
"Deaf people value their privacy very highly," she said.
"I think a lot of that is around that it's very difficult for people to have a private conversation … usually there is a third person involved."
"It's a very precious thing. Any kind of breach of that, it just feels very much worse to a deaf person."
"It's difficult, people are isolated and it can be quite an intimidating to have several people on your doorstep."
She said she would be waiting for a response from the church but if the answers received were unsatisfactory, the organisation would escalate the matter to the privacy commissioner.
Spinks said he was unaware of the allegations and said there was no database.
"I think it's well known that Jehovah's Witnesses call on every house in the community," he said.
"We certainly are not targeting deaf people, we call on everyone and we speak many languages."
Spinks said thousands of church members has taken the time to learn sign language and it was common for people to have basic signing skills.
He said groups who went out visiting did not intentionally knock on the doors of deaf people.
But, he said, if the church members met a deaf person and couldn't communicate with them, it was likely that somebody who could communicate would return to the house - if it was felt the person was responsive.
He said the claims of "targeting" sounded like a misunderstanding, and should he see a complaint, the church would "take it seriously straight away."
Dean said deaf people who felt harassed should contact the local meeting house of the church and make a complaint.
"[Let] people know they're not welcome to call in any unsolicited way," she said.
"If people are wanting to make a complaint, we've got staff around the country happy to support them."