KateWild: Yeah I noticed Orphan Crow
:)
I think we were posting at the same time...I didn't notice your second post until after I had finished mine.
thousands of mormons have simultaneously tendered their resignation from the cult following secret changes to the handbook that further discriminated against gay members and the children of gay couples.. "last week secret revisions to the handbook for the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints was leaked to the public, sparking a furious backlash and ultimately resulting in the mass resignations.
" source....
KateWild: Yeah I noticed Orphan Crow
:)
I think we were posting at the same time...I didn't notice your second post until after I had finished mine.
thousands of mormons have simultaneously tendered their resignation from the cult following secret changes to the handbook that further discriminated against gay members and the children of gay couples.. "last week secret revisions to the handbook for the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints was leaked to the public, sparking a furious backlash and ultimately resulting in the mass resignations.
" source....
KateWild: Interesting if it's true. The source is not one I have heard of.
I am pretty sure it is true, Kate.
1914the turning point in history.
30 from the human standpoint, the world troubles and global wars foretold in the bible were far from the thinking of the pre-1914 world.
german statesman konrad adenauer said: thoughts and pictures come to my mind, .
Charles Russell's 1914 prediction was based upon his belief that the establishment of a Jewish Homeland in Palestine would be the "New Jerusalem" and as such would be a fulfillment of God's Promise and the end of "this system of things".
Russell was a Zionist and his prediction about 1914 was rooted in the political events surrounding the establishment of a Jewish State.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_comedian_lewis_black_reads_18_year_old_s_resignation_letter_to_the_mormon_church(warning!
language!
).
Simon: OK, that makes absolutely no sense to me.
Yeah....
Funny, isn't it? :)
Comedy is like that.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_comedian_lewis_black_reads_18_year_old_s_resignation_letter_to_the_mormon_church(warning!
language!
).
"Standard" of activism.
= using the philosphies of an activist approach in order to define a comedic performance.
Standard = measurement.
Standard of activism = using the notion of activism as a way to measure comedy
after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.
but some left the organization.
however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..
Flipper: The fact that so many rank & file JW's continue to stay trapped inside the walls of WT Society control indicates they are controlled through fear and guilt of leaving. So they are still indoctrinated and controlled through fear and guilt anyway you slice it .
It isn't just the fear and guilt that keeps people trapped in the JW doctrines - it is the person's own insecurities that keep them there. They want to feel "special" and part of an "elite", better than others, "saved". Leaving the JW doctrine means having to live a life without the false promise of "life everlasting right here on this earth".
Holding onto JW theology/doctrine is actually a classic move (and one I did when I left way back at the age of 13/14) for many that are struggling with the deceptive practices of the WTS. I had to hang onto what I knew because I hadn't had the opportunity to explore any other options. I had the idea that "if Jehovah is real, he will understand that I am trying to be good" and that I would get my pass into paradise anyways.
However, I grew out of that thinking many years ago (long before information was as readily available as it is now). It was the recognition that the "us" and "them" thinking that the WTS had instilled in me was counter-productive to my recovery and I gladly shed off the elitist thinking that had kept me bound in a mental prison.
I think that people who reject the Org but retain the beliefs are doing so because of a need to hold onto the false promise of paradise and the need to believe that they are "special". It is sort of like "having your cake and eating it too". They want the promises. They want their "reward" for being good because they are special.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_comedian_lewis_black_reads_18_year_old_s_resignation_letter_to_the_mormon_church(warning!
language!
).
Simon, I am fully aware of the power of comedy as a resistive force. Without question it can function that way.
However, that does not mean that all comedy performances have to be held to the standard of activism.
And, to expect comedy to function within a proscribed moral space that makes judgements on the use of profane language is ignoring the diversity of the audience.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_comedian_lewis_black_reads_18_year_old_s_resignation_letter_to_the_mormon_church(warning!
language!
).
makemeanunbeliever: If one cant make their points without harsh profanity then it wont make deep inroads of change.
I don't think that a comedian's rant is about making change. Since when are comedians held up to the standard of activism?
This is comedy, not activism. Comedy is about finding "voice", not about satisfying the audience's need to see change.
after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.
but some left the organization.
however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..
Distracted: I'm wondering why this thread got rather contentious??? It doesn't make sense to me. I thought this group was open to people of various stages of awareness and positions.
That is an easy one to answer, Distracted. Godzoo gave the answer on page one of this thread:
Godzoo: Here we go again. Preaching masquerading as debate..
Generally, exJW communities do not respond well to people who try to preach to them.
A poster can dress it up whatever way they like, but certain members, like Godzoo, have a finely tuned nose that is sensitive to preaching smells.
This poster reeks strongly of preaching smell.
the vast majority of deaths from the blood policy are undocumented because they are simply not newsworthy.
if you know of a death or serious injury/disability related to the blood policy, please help us document it.
send as many details as you can recall.
Lee Elder: There is a contact page at the bottom of the map.
I am confused, Lee. I tried to use the contact email at the bottom of the page but when I tried to send it, I got an error message.
Other than that, all I can find on the blood map page is a place to leave a comment. I don't want to post a comment as the information I am giving has names, etc, that I don't want to post - am I supposed to use the comment feature to report a no-blood incident?