542 on 16 august 2015, dr applewhite wrote to the legal representative of watchtower.
australia and advised that she was unable to prepare a supplementary statement due.
to other commitments.
diogenesister: I wonder if her present collegues are aware of the debacle (polite term) that was the expert testimony of dr monica applewhite to the RC of Oz.
And, if so, do they still respect her. what. .so. ever.
The Catholica forum, at the time the JW testimony was being heard, had quite a bit of chatter about Applewhite and her performance as a witness for the WTS.
http://www.catholica.com.au/forum/index.php?mode=thread&id=174439#p174579
the royal commission is not yet over.
the summary of findings on jws is not the end of the story.
the legal process is unfolding and the only open question is the extent to which jw organization in australia will be legally mandated to change its policies and procedures on child sexual abuse.. (on the question of shunning those who leave, the commission is well intended but has strayed beyond its legal brief.
Well, I think that where the changes will come is in criminal and civil court.
Don't forget that some of the victim files have already been turned over to the police and criminal investigations are imminent.
Which, too, would explain the WTS' recent call for soliciters in Australia. I think that the criminal court system will be requiring some JW lawyers real soon here.
The WTS will have no choice except to change in the face of how the criminal cases, that ensue from the RC, are handled. The Royal Commission is merely setting the stage. Very nicely, too.
542 on 16 august 2015, dr applewhite wrote to the legal representative of watchtower.
australia and advised that she was unable to prepare a supplementary statement due.
to other commitments.
Tornintwo: Distance yourself as fast as humanly possible from the witnesses and your embarrassing appearance at the ARC
Oh yeah.
http://newsthump.com/2015/12/01/yorkshire-ripper-calls-for-syria-bombing-campaign-declared-perfectly-sane/.
Marvin: That guy is an absolute monster.
Yup. Exactly the kind of guy you want to have wandering around during those 1000 years of "almost paradise" before the "real" paradise kicks in.
I can see why Sutcliffe likes the JW idea of staying in a body right here on earth. I don't doubt that having the opportunity to get to interact with real live breathing bodies that can be hacked and sliced is far more appealing to Sutcliffe than a heavenly promise where bodies don't bleed.
And, seriously, what kind of man would it have to be that would put his shirt and tie on and then go inside a room with a man who had sliced up women? What kind of JW men were they who chose to "study" with Sutcliffe? Would you? Could you? Could you sit in the same room with a man who had did such horrific things to women? And then go home to your wife and kiddies?
i am intrigued to know if there is truly any evidence of financial irregularities in the jehovah's witness organisation or if any one or group are raking off funds or benefitting financially...?.
whilst i disagree wholeheartedly with most of their teachings and practices, dogmatism, legalism and superiority complex, i don't honestly think there's anyone making millions at the top.
yes you could say that the gb are comfortably off, don't have to pay bills etc but they do actually get up in the morning and 'work', they aren't going off in private jets to tropical islands or driving bentleys.
tornintwo: I am intrigued to know if there Is truly any evidence of financial irregularities in the Jehovah's Witness organisation or if any one or group are raking off funds or benefitting financially...?
On another thread about money, Oppostate had posted this:
oppostate: And there's all kinds of charities, insurances, funds, foundations and trusts at:
https://www.citizenaudit.org/?q=Jehovah%27s+witnesses
I visited that link and did a bit of looking around but i can't access any more documents. However, I will copy and paste what I had posted on the other thread about one of the companies at that link:
Oh geez. I randomly clicked on "Two Copper Mountains Inc." just 'cause I thought it was a cool name and wondered what connection it could have with the JWs.Well. That was interesting. Veeerrrry interesting.
It seems like a JW guy set up a private company to manage a "donation" of a piece of land worth about 1.2 million dollars.
Next thing that happens is that a guy - Robert Metts (a real estate dude) - made a large cash contribution of $325,000 to this private company, managed by the JW guy and his wife, that was 'holding' this donated land. Some of that large "donation" was disbursed to three Congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Next, the land is "sold". For, apparently, "fair market value" of $260,000. The cost of the sale was $26,335, for a net loss of $1,029,455. The land was sold to G&F Farms. It must of been an opportune time to pick up land deals.
Next, various sums of money was disbursed to "4" Congegations of Jehovah's Witnesses for their "general funds".
Next, various sums of money was disbursed to "4" Congegations of Jehovah's Witnesses for their "general funds".
An interesting way of managing "donated land". And what was that big donation that came from a real estate guy all about? The guy who made a scoop on the sale of the land which ended up being sold for a huge loss? It sounds like somebody was making deals and making lots of money.
there are two sources online to get these pdfs.
https://www.citizenaudit.org/111857820/ lists 2010-2013 ( i would prefer this link because it's the most up to date).
http://www.guidestar.org/viewpdf.aspx?pdfsource=0&ein=11-1857820 lists 2010-2012. book value of all assets at end of year: (can be found on the 990-t for on top left on 1st page).
oppostate: And there's all kinds of charities, insurances, funds, foundations and trusts at:
https://www.citizenaudit.org/?q=Jehovah%27s+witnesses
thanks to mr. jwfacts we now have a copy of this letter.
i would have posted it on his thread but there was already 2 pages of replies and i didn't think the link would be seen.. thank you again mr. facts!.
.. click the green download button.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/bbduxaa.
Steve2: Bizarre. They are to send detailed info to the Australian branch office without speaking to the relevant publishers about it - and it consists of the elders' evaluations of the publishers.
Bizarre. And sort of creepy.
The elders are to hold service meetings and discuss these people they have targeted, evaluating them on their loyalty/indoctrination level. And all done without the person being aware that they are the subject of this evaluation. It is almost like a "judicial" meeting is being called. Except this is called a "service" meeting - I guess that is the term that is used for an elder/judicial meeting when the person doesn't know it is happening.
there was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.
what would be their motive for these details?
the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.
jwfacts: The rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to Bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher." Is it legal to compile a database of individuals without their knowledge?
I just read the letter. I am not sure about the legality of information collecting and sharing but the questions and the way that the elders are instructed to do it without the person's knowledge, is really creepy.
I wouldn't like it if I belonged to a religion and found out that the pastor or pastoral board of directors had compiled a file on me and had met to discuss my personal details, including an assessment of my "spiritual" commitment. I dunno...maybe that is just me.
But, even if it is legal, it still seems to be outside of the bounds of what the elders claim their sole responsibility is - that of "giving spiritual counsel". It seems like their job description now should read "and the collection of files on members that include personal details". AKA - private investigators for the WTS.
there was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.
what would be their motive for these details?
the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.
Hmmmm.
I wonder if the WTS is recruiting replacements for the "cleansing of the temple" that is probably happening behind the closed doors of the Tower. Maybe there have been a lot of "pinkslipping" of those professions.
Treason and paranoia.
Clean the temple and replace with fresh, loyal workers. Housecleaning.
Heh...somewhat off topic...but, I still think we will hear of a big gun getting tossed soon. The WTS needs a scapegoat.
and i don't mean that stupid made up shit russell just invented only a 100 yrs ago.
he never passed the 7th grade and declared that the world was too stupid to understand the bible without him.. who do you follow and pore money into the watchtower?.
wirerider: In what world did Russell have any business to publish such crap as the made up "Studies in the Scriptures"??
In the American corporate world. If it sells, it is profit. Free enterprise. Russell took hope, packaged it up as a commodity, and sold it.
America - Land of the Free.
